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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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between July 8 1947 the Army Air Force

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has announced that are flying there -

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found and they're now in the possession

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of the honor

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the game is rigged changed the game

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changer I occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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Jimmy Church on a game changer radio

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network and a GRA the global rain

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Alliance

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I need your help to get to the year 1985

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you're listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy judge on the game change in that

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good evening how you doing fade to black

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today's Tuesday

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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downtown Burbank California and I would

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like to welcome everybody listening all

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around the world all across the United

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back and forth up and down east and west

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer networked in kg re the

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planets come here of Jimmy Church what

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is cracking everybody how you doing how

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yeah put a night last night on the show

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Mitch Horowitz amazing conversation what

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a great week we've got lined up for you

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and tonight very special guest John

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Greenwald will join us to talk about the

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Japan Airlines UFO incident that's right

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as well as some new UFO info on a tip

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one document is surfaced John Greenwald

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has released it we're gonna talk about

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that document tonight and it's gonna be

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a great show the Japan Airlines UFO

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encounter I'm going to get to that in

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just a minute is one of the great most

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documented UFO encounters on an official

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level in world history and so we're

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going to discuss that there's so much

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about this story and then john has been

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on it for over 17 years so tonight we're

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gonna discuss all of that and of course

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a tip what is a tip I know I know I know

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I know and tonight we're gonna continue

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to keep our foot on the gas and try to

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figure this this situation out so that's

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what we're gonna do tonight tomorrow

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night Julia Moss bridge PhD will be here

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to talk about precognition and

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time-travel with her new book the

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premonition code that's tomorrow night

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Thursday night no fate or night okay

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know it like with Mitch Horowitz right

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Dean Radin John Greenwald is another one

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and Julia Mossberg these are people that

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like so John what are you gonna do the

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show now we're gonna do it soon we're

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gonna do it soon it took like two years

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wife and he had all these things going

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just a busy guy but yeah you know and

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and we're knocking all of it out this

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and I can't wait for Thursday Dean Radin

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is finally going to be here and please

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head over to on stellar on stellar

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dot-com ons t e ll AR comm get

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registered it is the great social media

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platform and you know today I was you

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know working with the guys over at on

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stellar and you know looking at some

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some new stuff that's coming out by

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anyway looking at that I'm going back

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and I'm looking at on stellar and

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comparing it to other stuff and and and

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looking I'm gonna tell you man that is a

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great looking platform it is just so

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well thought out and and just so well

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done I'm just so happy with on stellar

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on stellar calm and get over there get

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registered and see what everybody is

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talking about I talk about it every

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so much fun I spend zero and when I say

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zero zero time on Facebook zero and

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Facebook and especially back in the day

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was so much a part of launching Jimmy

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Church radio and and I'm talking about

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going back to 2008 2009 2010 and and for

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and friends that we have made and so you

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know I I get that and compared to the

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old day I spent absolutely zero time on

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Facebook none none you know and you

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might be posting important stuff over

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there I just it's it's the platform it's

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it's not the people it's the platform

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you know so anyway covert on stellar

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dot-com that's where it is no

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advertising no trip in data collection

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nothing you have no idea what it's like

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you've forgotten right what it's like to

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sit on a platform like that and

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communicate and share and make friends

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without an advertisement in sight it'll

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change you man it'll take you right back

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where you need to be on stellar comm

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Facebook is just plugging along we just

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click alike but you know whatever

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post up there and everything is is easy

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to find over at our website to mature a

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do calm and if you want to hang out with

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us on Twitter hashtag f2b is what you

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want to do that is the sandbox hashtag

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f2b any questions or comments use hash

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tag f2b q what that's cool that's cool

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that's funny that's gonna get a retweet

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right there who did this that is funny

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close right now here we go

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I got to do this I got to do this before

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this gets away from me Georgio have you

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seen this

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check out the background there you go

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I'm doing this in real time I got I just

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to happen there you go all right I just

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said that DiGiorgio that's cool that's

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funny that is funny

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lost my whole train of thought that was

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funny who created that the bill the bill

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okay all right wherever you can email me

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Jimmy and Jimmy turds radio.com breaking

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news today Bill Cosby was sentenced to 3

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to 10 years in prison and was taken into

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custody immediately straight to the

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county jail in handcuffs from the

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courtroom and then earlier this evening

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he was transported to the Pennsylvania

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State Correctional Institution at

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Phoenix to begin serving his prison

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sentence for a sexual assault

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when Cosby arrived earlier tonight he

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was given a uniform basic toiletries

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linens towels and state-issued

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boots seriously now SC I Phoenix is a

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maximum-security state prison in

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Collegeville Pennsylvania about 25 miles

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where Cosby was tried in Montgomery

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County I'm gonna tell you something

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you're a kid commit a crime you know I'm

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saying a kid you know under the age of

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30 whatever and and you go to jail you

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can adapt you get those state issued

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boots whatever you know but when you get

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to the age of 80 and living the life of

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luxury like Cosby did

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and you're suddenly wearing state-issued

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under where you go from some silk to

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that yeah I don't know what kind of

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thread count-- he was laying on with his

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Egyptian cotton sheets but that's not

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what you get at the state pen and that

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is just got to be a really strange night

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tonight with Bill Cosby there you go

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also earlier today I watched it live

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Will Smith bungee jumped out of a

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helicopter earlier today

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1,000 feet into the Grand Canyon live on

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survived right there was was asking Rita

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did you watch it she goes anything

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happened I said no she goes now I didn't

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I didn't watch it but yeah and actually

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it was pretty bleep and nuts to watch

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when you think about it you know they've

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got multiple cameras and helicopters and

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views and and it was a yeah it was

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pretty dramatic pretty dramatic to watch

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him go backwards out of that helicopter

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feed on Twitter I didn't get shut down

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yet by YouTube for using probably copy

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written images but that's just the way

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it goes had just stole it right off the

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screen it was uh it was pretty cool it

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was pretty cool I'm admitting it right

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now okay I didn't profit off of the

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images but it was a it was pretty nuts

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and I'm looking at the pictures now this

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first one is a Smith leaning over into

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the helicopter you can see the this is

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just before they took off and that's it

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I mean that's right before they took off

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and the next shot is when he dropped and

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and came back up and he was screaming

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you know they had a miked up and

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everything and there's another one as it

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started to settle down a little bit and

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he's turning around looking back and and

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there you go it was uh it was pretty

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cool pretty cool I would never do it but

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he did and I got to give him credit

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for that all right tonight John

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Greenwald is here I cannot wait for this

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we're gonna cover the Japan Airlines UFO

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encounter as well as the only Freedom of

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Information Act document to surface

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concerning a tip we've got all of that

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for you tonight so get ready John will

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be with us at the bottom of the hour

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happy birthday to today of course Will

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Smith who is 50 years old he did the

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bungee jump on his 50th birthday years

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ago when I worked for leases I went out

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for did many many trips out to Will

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Smith's house out in well just out in

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West Lake in that area he doesn't live

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there anymore

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but I went out to his house and had to

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work on a studio that he was building

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out in his garage you know he had like a

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spare bedroom maid's room or something

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like that housekeepers think that he had

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converted was converted into a little

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studio so I man out there and and got to

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hang out with them for you know it

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covered about a month I suppose I was

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probably out there five six seven eight

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times had dinner with him a couple of

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nights and he's a really cool dude and

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it was just the two of us hanging out

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for hours and hours getting that studio

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set up and it was a really great

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experience and and I you know I think

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he's a cool guy and watching him go

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through that today at the age of 50 kind

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of puts things all in perspective and

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today you know I hadn't thought about

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that in a long time and that was

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probably 1990 right after Independence

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Day came out like right before men and

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black like right you know somewhere in

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there 1995 maybe 96 95 Will Smith today

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is 50 years old Mark Hamill today that's

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right Luke is 67 and Michael Douglas

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today is 74 our dead guys birthday

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Christopher Reeve 1952 to 2004 died at

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the age of 52 star

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of course Superman in 1978 and then was

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tragically paralyzed in a 1995 horse

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riding accident and then passed away in

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2004 on this day in history 2005 two

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months after announcing its intention to

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disarm the Irish Republican Army the IRA

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gives up its weapons in front of

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independent weapons inspectors as a

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crazy day back in 2005 Fader fact are

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you ready for this I know you've thought

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about this but you probably didn't know

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it was actually a fact in 2013 Chinese

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scientists were able to grow a human

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tooth from scratch using stem cells

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taken from wait for it urine and that is

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your favor fact yeah

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yep they said it couldn't be done

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it can be you can regrow teeth tonight

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John Greenwald is here tomorrow night

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Julia Moss bridge is going to join us

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we're gonna talk some time travel and

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her new book the premonition code

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Thursday night Dean Radin is gonna be

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here we're all looking forward to that

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four nights four shows four amazing

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guests right here on fade to black now I

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want to talk about Japan Airlines

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because out of all of UFO history and

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we've got of course we've got the things

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that we talked about know about Roswell

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Rendlesham right these are incident

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Kecksburg right these are incidents that

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we know about we talk about but Japan

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Airlines flight 1628 and that UFO

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encounter is just insane it's it's

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insane now it occurred in November on

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November 17th back in 1986 okay 22 years

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ago

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involving a Japanese Boeing 747-200 F

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cargo aircraft the aircraft was in route

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from Paris to Narita International

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Airport near Tokyo with a cargo of wine

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now on the Reich Vic to Anchorage

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section of the flight over eastern

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Alaska the crew first witnessed two

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unidentified objects to their left these

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abruptly rose from below and closed in

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and started to escort the 747 what

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transpired after this and still to this

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day I have never forgotten the

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eyewitness testimony and everything that

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was presented about this case but it got

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nuts

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each of these UFOs that popped up had

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two rectangular arrays of what appeared

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to be as described glowing nozzles or

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thrusters right there bodies remained

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obscured they couldn't really see it

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because it was dark outside

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when closest the aircraft's cabin was

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lit up yes and the captain sitting on

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the left could feel the heat on his face

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these two craft departed they split and

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then there was a third huge disc shaped

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object and again I'm gonna get to this

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in a second

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that because disc shape may not be that

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accurate and that started to trail them

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at that point Anchorage air-traffic

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control requested an oncoming United

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Airlines flight to confirm the

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unidentified traffic but when it and

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military craft arrived on the scene

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inside adjey al flight number 1628 they

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didn't see anything the sighting itself

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lasted for 50 minutes

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and it ended in the vicinity of Mount

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Denali the second craft the third craft

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this the third one that joined the two

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split was described as a walnut a giant

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walnut when I say giant just listen to

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this at least the first two of the

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objects were observed by all three crew

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members that's captain Ken tjuta Ruchi a

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next fighter pilot with more than ten

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thousand hours of flight experience and

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he was in the cockpits left-handed seat

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like I said earlier copilot Takanori

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tama fuji he was in the right-hand seat

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and flight engineer

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Yoshio Tsukuba where the first objects

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disappeared captain Terauchi had noticed

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a pale band of light that mirrored their

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altitude speed and direction Anchorage

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found nothing on their radar but

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Elmendorf nor red regional operations

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control center directly in his flight

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path reported a huge primary return and

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that is NORAD as the city lights of

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Fairbanks began to eliminate the object

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captain Terauchi believed to perceive

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the outline of a gigantic spaceship out

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of sport side that was twice the size of

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an aircraft carrier and I'm quoting

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directly from captain Terry UT in

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December 1996 captain Terauchi gave an

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interview to to Kyoto Japan news

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journalist Japan Airlines then grounded

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him for talking to the press and then

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ended up moving him to a desk job years

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and years later he got to fly again

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for a little bit then he just retired

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but that's what happened he talked to

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the press

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and they immediately grounded him and

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and and made him a pencil pusher the

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Japan Airlines sighting got tons of

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attention from the media I caught on to

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it we actually and if you think about

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this we actually had tracking of UFOs on

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both ground and airborne radar while

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being observed by experienced airline

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pilots and subsequent confirmation by an

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FAA division chief this was a very very

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very big deal but it didn't end there

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because three months later in January

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1987 Alaska Airlines flight 53 observed

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a fast-moving object on their onboard

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weather radar while at 35,000 feet on a

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flight from Nome to Anchorage the radar

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registered a strong target in their 12

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o'clock position at 25 miles and then on

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the very next day on January 30th the US

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Air Force kc-135 jet flying from

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Anchorage to Fairbanks once again

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observed a very large disc-shaped object

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right the pilot reported that the object

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was just 40 feet from the aircraft then

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the object has appeared from sight so

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what was going on in the skies above

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Alaska for those three months we've got

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it all with these cases we've got not

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only I mean the official of official

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reports from the military you know the

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Air Force the FAA right we've got

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civilian reports we've got the direct

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testimony we've got radar tapes we've

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got radar tapes from the air and the

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ground we've got eyewitnesses from the

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very seasoned flight crew not only from

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Japan air

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but also from our own air force right

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we've got everything I that is needed

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for this case but what happened to the

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evidence the case itself when it hit and

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the interviews with Captain Terauchi in

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his description in his drawings and an

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FAA division chief I believe his name

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was John Calhoun we'll talk to a

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Greenwald about that in just a minute

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here who he had the radar tapes and all

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of this was reviewed by the Navy and an

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admiral and and they're looking at the

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interviews that were presented and the

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debriefing that was done by the by the

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pilots you know and and they knew that

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they had something here and they had to

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squash it and then the paperwork

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disappears now the amount of paperwork

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as it turns out we're gonna talk to John

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turned out to be a mountain but that's

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not what we were told originally and

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even that gets a little bit funky so

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what do you do when he try to squash a

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case well you know especially like this

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we never really officially heard from

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the kc-135 pilot nope no Alaska Airlines

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flight 53 no Japan Airlines captain

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Terauchi what happened there desk job

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grounded disappeared retired tonight

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we're gonna discuss one of the most

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important cases in all of ufology the

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Japan Airlines UFO encounter is huge

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and tonight the evidence is now out

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Greenwald

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has got it and has released it after so

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many years of looking for it and also

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tonight with John Greenwald a tip I'm

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not even gonna say what a tip is because

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I don't know we've been looking for

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Freedom of Information Act documents on

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it in any form one has been released

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John Greenwald has just

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published it we're gonna talk about that

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and how he got to it and including the

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Japan Airlines documents too as well and

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that's how diligent John Greenwald is

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with the black vault and with that I'm

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gonna get out of here it's gonna be an

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amazing night tonight so just get

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comfortable get ready and let's get all

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of this just out in the open it needs to

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be there

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I look I know that Twitter I can't get

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out of here without saying this I know

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that Twitter I reached out and made it

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pretty public about bringing on Tom

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DeLonge or Louis Elizondo onto the show

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tonight open invitation publicly just to

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let them know right okay and I'm not

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gonna say anything further than that but

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I did get a response back from to the

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Stars and from Tom and now is not the

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time but other than that I am NOT gonna

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say anything more the relationship

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between to the stars and and fade to

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black is is is fine I know that

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everybody out there wants to create some

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story and some drama that that doesn't

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exist okay

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ight ight I'm gonna get out of here

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John Greenwald's up next this is fade to

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black I am your host Jimmy Church you

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can certainly reach out to me Jimmy at

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Jimmy Church radio.com via email Twitter

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is at J Church radio hashtag F to B is

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the sandbox and now John Greenwald on

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Twitter is at black vault comm go make

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sense out of that I'll be right back

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with our guest John Green walls stay

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with me

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Radin right four nights four shows four

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amazing guests tonight it is John

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Greenwald we're gonna discuss the JKL

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1628 Japan Airlines UFO encounter and

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the recent recent revelations on a tip

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is it aviation or aerospace you know try

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to figure that out tonight John began

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researching the secret inner workings of

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the US government 1986 at the tender

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young age of 15 targeted such groups as

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the CIA the FBI Pentagon Air Force Army

626
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Navy NSA dia countless others Greenwald

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utilized the Freedom of Information Act

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to gain access to thousands of records

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he accumulated an astonishing number of

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documents on topics related to UFOs the

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JFK assassination chemical biological

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and nuclear weapons and top-secret

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aircraft he eventually named this

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archive the black vault that's right his

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teenage project turned into the largest

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private online collection anywhere in

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the world with millions of pages of

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material the age of 21 he published his

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first book beyond UFO secrecy and then

640
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it was later put into a second expanded

641
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edition back in 2002 and was republished

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by galled press in January 2008 the

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website of course is the black vault

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comm I would like to welcome back to

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fade to black the one and only the very

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young and tender

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John Greenwald John how are you man I'm

648
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good man it's good to be back thanks for

649
00:35:28,270 --> 00:35:25,940
having me you put us through a scare

650
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:28,280
this weekend so I'm just gonna tell

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everybody that on Saturday I'm driving

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over to coast-to-coast to host and the

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announcement came over the emergency

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broadcast system here in Southern

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California that your neighborhood was on

656
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:44,020
fire not that

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to disclose exactly or what or where

658
00:35:52,650 --> 00:35:49,030
that's up to you but but I called you

659
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and and you were safe and sound but it

660
00:35:57,720 --> 00:35:54,550
was pretty close to you wasn't it

661
00:35:59,610 --> 00:35:57,730
I not as close as the one last year but

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yeah I appreciate that it's you know

663
00:36:03,630 --> 00:36:01,420
it's the beautiful Southern California

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city named Cass steaks we've got two

665
00:36:09,150 --> 00:36:06,910
lakes up here and it's it's it's a

666
00:36:11,870 --> 00:36:09,160
beautiful place but sadly we learned we

667
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just moved up here last February of 2017

668
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:14,770
it's a pretty high fire area so last

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00:36:20,250 --> 00:36:17,650
year was a bigger scare this one not so

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00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:20,260
much but definitely air quality was an

671
00:36:24,660 --> 00:36:22,210
issue but hey we're still here fires out

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and we look forward to the next one yeah

673
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you know that's just the way it plays

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out here and as crazy as it may sound to

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the rest of the country it's where we

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live this is it's hot it's dry it's yeah

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00:36:40,290 --> 00:36:38,140
desert it just so happens that we you

678
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:40,300
know planted palm trees and grass here

679
00:36:44,940 --> 00:36:42,370
but it's a desert that's it

680
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yeah it really is and you know what I

681
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:46,750
will say one thing about the the city of

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00:36:50,610 --> 00:36:49,090
Castaic when we moved up here it still

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considered Los Angeles it's like the

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farthest reaches of LA County that you

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00:36:59,370 --> 00:36:56,470
can get and I literally have deer coming

686
00:37:01,200 --> 00:36:59,380
into my driveway near our cars that's

687
00:37:03,150 --> 00:37:01,210
how now in Los Angeles that's like are

688
00:37:05,010 --> 00:37:03,160
you kidding all right that's unheard of

689
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:05,020
and so there's trade-offs yes it's a

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00:37:09,660 --> 00:37:07,810
high fire area but man you just see some

691
00:37:10,350 --> 00:37:09,670
really cool beautiful stuff yeah you do

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you do

693
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and last year you know it happened to us

694
00:37:16,740 --> 00:37:15,190
right here in Burbank when you know woke

695
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up in the morning and my daughter comes

696
00:37:20,460 --> 00:37:18,250
in and she goes you know and I was like

697
00:37:24,450 --> 00:37:20,470
what I thought this is what I thought

698
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:24,460
because I could smell it I thought why

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would somebody be burning wood in their

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fireplace in the middle of the summer

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00:37:32,820 --> 00:37:31,180
that's what I was thinking and so I just

702
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:32,830
kind of you know but I didn't walk to

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00:37:36,570 --> 00:37:34,570
the front of the house I was out back

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and I didn't see it my daughter goes you

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00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:38,170
got to come out front I walked out front

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00:37:45,570 --> 00:37:42,130
it was like oh oh oh we got we got some

707
00:37:48,810 --> 00:37:45,580
issues here I mean that way that the sky

708
00:37:51,630 --> 00:37:48,820
goes from a beautiful blue to a really

709
00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:51,640
scary orange in a matter of minutes and

710
00:37:56,130 --> 00:37:54,310
that's how you know oh something's come

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and so he's got to make sure it's not in

712
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our backyard yeah

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00:38:01,050 --> 00:37:59,080
you know it's it's a scare it's a scary

714
00:38:02,970 --> 00:38:01,060
time you know and when you see that sky

715
00:38:05,100 --> 00:38:02,980
turned to yellow and that definitely

716
00:38:07,350 --> 00:38:05,110
happened this weekend yeah you you

717
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:07,360
immediately do those things you start to

718
00:38:15,210 --> 00:38:10,890
okay what do we grab in just in case the

719
00:38:20,850 --> 00:38:15,220
evacuation streets were one block to our

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00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:20,860
south and like four blocks to the to the

721
00:38:25,620 --> 00:38:23,290
east right right there right there and

722
00:38:27,660 --> 00:38:25,630
and we were just in this one little

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00:38:29,850 --> 00:38:27,670
pocket but everything else was getting

724
00:38:30,540 --> 00:38:29,860
evacuated and you start to think to

725
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:30,550
yourself okay

726
00:38:35,790 --> 00:38:33,010
dogs check check check okay they go

727
00:38:38,850 --> 00:38:35,800
first right of course read and I and and

728
00:38:40,860 --> 00:38:38,860
our daughter yes but where did we go

729
00:38:43,740 --> 00:38:40,870
from there you know what yeah what else

730
00:38:45,780 --> 00:38:43,750
do we take with us but yeah it was a

731
00:38:48,750 --> 00:38:45,790
very very tricky thing to go through but

732
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:48,760
anyway you're safe all right that's all

733
00:38:54,660 --> 00:38:50,170
that matters that's all that matters

734
00:38:55,950 --> 00:38:54,670
and now the the Japan Airlines I want to

735
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:55,960
get straight to it because we've got a

736
00:39:02,790 --> 00:38:57,610
lot to discuss tonight

737
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:02,800
and yeah out of all of UFO history we've

738
00:39:08,190 --> 00:39:06,160
got five six seven maybe eight nine ten

739
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:08,200
cases that we can look at the

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00:39:12,660 --> 00:39:10,330
documentation and the eyewitnesses and

741
00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:12,670
and the government and civilian side of

742
00:39:18,780 --> 00:39:16,030
things with that rate right up there

743
00:39:21,330 --> 00:39:18,790
right right up there Japan Airlines is

744
00:39:25,530 --> 00:39:21,340
is right up there with any other case

745
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:25,540
that that we can mention and it it broke

746
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:28,480
it broke big into the media and I set it

747
00:39:34,530 --> 00:39:31,810
up in the opening of the show tonight

748
00:39:35,730 --> 00:39:34,540
but for you you know and running the

749
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:35,740
black vault we're gonna get to the

750
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:38,290
documents in a second but for you when

751
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:40,210
you look at everything that we have

752
00:39:47,460 --> 00:39:44,290
concerning the Japan Airlines encounter

753
00:39:50,570 --> 00:39:47,470
how does that case rate with you with

754
00:39:53,310 --> 00:39:50,580
all of the other encounters out there

755
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:53,320
when when you have commercial airline

756
00:39:59,100 --> 00:39:56,320
and military pilots you know pilots for

757
00:40:01,560 --> 00:39:59,110
me are fascinating just simply because

758
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:01,570
these are you know guys and gals that

759
00:40:06,210 --> 00:40:04,000
know exactly what's what's in the sky

760
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:06,220
how they fly and how they operate so

761
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:08,530
they have they have a background to

762
00:40:12,089 --> 00:40:10,450
readily identify a

763
00:40:14,670 --> 00:40:12,099
you know whether it be a fellow

764
00:40:16,650 --> 00:40:14,680
commercial jet airliner or another

765
00:40:17,849 --> 00:40:16,660
military aircraft of course they're not

766
00:40:20,250 --> 00:40:17,859
going to be versed on a hundred percent

767
00:40:22,890 --> 00:40:20,260
of what's flying in the sky but they are

768
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:22,900
definitely better qualified than myself

769
00:40:27,210 --> 00:40:24,910
if they're flying at you know thirty

770
00:40:30,060 --> 00:40:27,220
thousand feet to understand what might

771
00:40:32,130 --> 00:40:30,070
be seeing outside their window flight

772
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:32,140
1628 is something that's been around the

773
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:36,010
UFO field you know longer than that then

774
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:38,290
I've been in it it was something that's

775
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:40,210
been very well known and and something

776
00:40:45,540 --> 00:40:41,920
that has been written about it in many

777
00:40:48,569 --> 00:40:45,550
books and when I learned about this very

778
00:40:50,670 --> 00:40:48,579
early on in my research when I started

779
00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:50,680
like you pointed out I started back in

780
00:40:56,310 --> 00:40:53,710
1996 and I was 15 years old and of

781
00:41:00,510 --> 00:40:56,320
course 1628 is is one of those you know

782
00:41:02,430 --> 00:41:00,520
more well known UFO cases and it was

783
00:41:04,500 --> 00:41:02,440
always something that stuck out in my in

784
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,510
my head as something like hey you know

785
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:06,400
there's something to this when a pilot

786
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:08,530
sees something that's not something that

787
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:11,680
you can just kind of explain away as far

788
00:41:17,010 --> 00:41:13,089
you know a farmer in the middle of

789
00:41:19,650 --> 00:41:17,020
Kansas oh we lost John are you there

790
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:19,660
John yeah I'm still here yeah we lost

791
00:41:23,609 --> 00:41:21,730
you okay a farmer in the middle of

792
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:23,619
Kansas and then you went silent yeah oh

793
00:41:27,329 --> 00:41:25,210
no I'm still here

794
00:41:30,109 --> 00:41:27,339
so yeah the you know if there's a

795
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:30,119
difference between a pilot sighting and

796
00:41:33,780 --> 00:41:32,170
you know again somebody on the ground

797
00:41:36,809 --> 00:41:33,790
that might be seeing something that's

798
00:41:39,319 --> 00:41:36,819
easily explainable so when I filed a

799
00:41:44,010 --> 00:41:39,329
Freedom of Information Act request to

800
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:44,020
the FAA this was back in 2001 17 years

801
00:41:52,109 --> 00:41:47,530
ago that I tried to get documents on

802
00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:52,119
flight 1628 and this is one of the most

803
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:55,569
bizarre FOIA cases and I've done now

804
00:42:02,339 --> 00:42:00,640
about 9,000 requests in 22 years now

805
00:42:04,380 --> 00:42:02,349
those are those are original requests

806
00:42:05,819 --> 00:42:04,390
those are not follow-up letters so when

807
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:05,829
you add in all the follow-up letters

808
00:42:14,099 --> 00:42:09,930
there is an insane amount of

809
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:14,109
correspondence and so when I went after

810
00:42:21,180 --> 00:42:17,770
this and in 2001 I was told by the FAA

811
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:21,190
that they considered me a commercial

812
00:42:25,319 --> 00:42:22,480
requester

813
00:42:26,910 --> 00:42:25,329
now under the FOIA you fit into three

814
00:42:31,620 --> 00:42:26,920
different categories commercial

815
00:42:33,540 --> 00:42:31,630
non-commercial and news media and at the

816
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:33,550
time I was non-commercial now I fit in

817
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:34,240
the news media

818
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:36,130
but at the time non-commercial they

819
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:37,570
tried to put me in commercial and what

820
00:42:43,140 --> 00:42:39,310
it really ultimately comes down to is

821
00:42:47,970 --> 00:42:43,150
fees that you have to pay and when you

822
00:42:52,140 --> 00:42:47,980
pay these these fees it's determined by

823
00:42:56,579 --> 00:42:52,150
the category that you fit in so she told

824
00:43:00,380 --> 00:42:56,589
me in this letter if you withdraw your

825
00:43:03,859 --> 00:43:00,390
request because you're in a commercial

826
00:43:06,780 --> 00:43:03,869
category if you withdraw your request

827
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:06,790
then we will go ahead and give you a

828
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:10,530
hundred and seven pages for free

829
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:12,730
you're still there right I'm Liz I'm

830
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:14,560
reading the dollar I'm in I'm blown away

831
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:16,960
making sure I didn't get let's make it

832
00:43:21,780 --> 00:43:19,570
right and get this connected so so they

833
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:21,790
said if you withdraw your request we'll

834
00:43:24,510 --> 00:43:22,930
give you these hundred and seven pages

835
00:43:28,190 --> 00:43:24,520
for free now I can tell you out of the

836
00:43:31,559 --> 00:43:28,200
nine thousand requests that I've done

837
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:31,569
never I do not have a single case that I

838
00:43:36,780 --> 00:43:33,970
can cite where they said if you withdraw

839
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:36,790
your request because we'll charge you

840
00:43:39,450 --> 00:43:37,839
money

841
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:39,460
withdraw we'll give it to you for free

842
00:43:43,470 --> 00:43:41,710
that's there's no procedure for that

843
00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:43,480
that's not part of the law that is not

844
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:45,250
standard nobody does that

845
00:43:48,809 --> 00:43:47,410
so I received this letter and I thought

846
00:43:50,430 --> 00:43:48,819
okay well they're considering me a

847
00:43:51,780 --> 00:43:50,440
commercial requester do I fight it

848
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:51,790
they're telling me they'll give it to me

849
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:54,130
for free hundred and seven pages so I

850
00:43:57,660 --> 00:43:55,930
chose not to fight it why find it just

851
00:44:00,000 --> 00:43:57,670
withdraw the request get it for free now

852
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:00,010
let's don't let me stop you right there

853
00:44:06,690 --> 00:44:03,280
sure one hundred and seven pages is all

854
00:44:08,339 --> 00:44:06,700
that was discussed and that is a very

855
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:08,349
important thing that we're gonna discuss

856
00:44:14,250 --> 00:44:11,200
later on tonight had you heard anything

857
00:44:16,050 --> 00:44:14,260
beyond about anything additional page

858
00:44:19,950 --> 00:44:16,060
you know one hundred and eight hundred

859
00:44:23,370 --> 00:44:19,960
nine hundred and ten no it was always I

860
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:23,380
now have that letter but they said that

861
00:44:27,359 --> 00:44:25,089
there was a total and what I request

862
00:44:30,020 --> 00:44:27,369
just to very quickly say my request for

863
00:44:32,250 --> 00:44:30,030
it was for all documents on flight 1628

864
00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:32,260
now when I request something that's

865
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:34,569
fairly specific like that I go for the

866
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:35,490
whole gamut I

867
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:37,680
memo's I want letters I want reports I

868
00:44:42,260 --> 00:44:39,770
want everything that they have created

869
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:42,270
about this now in some cases they'll

870
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:43,770
come back and say well that's too broad

871
00:44:47,359 --> 00:44:45,119
because that'll get you fifty million

872
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:47,369
pages so round it down and then I'll

873
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:50,010
Whittle it down but in something like

874
00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:51,690
this I went for the whole you know the

875
00:44:56,330 --> 00:44:54,510
whole kit and caboodle and requesting

876
00:44:59,090 --> 00:44:56,340
the whole kid caboodle yielded me a

877
00:45:02,690 --> 00:44:59,100
hundred and seven pages according to the

878
00:45:04,609 --> 00:45:02,700
FAA and according to them and this comes

879
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:04,619
from the headquarters it was a letter

880
00:45:10,070 --> 00:45:07,890
dated June 27 2001 I've got it all in

881
00:45:12,020 --> 00:45:10,080
writing with sign you know signed

882
00:45:13,970 --> 00:45:12,030
statements and and FOIA case numbers

883
00:45:15,890 --> 00:45:13,980
they said that there was only a hundred

884
00:45:18,290 --> 00:45:15,900
and seven pages that came up as a

885
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:18,300
response by request now and I'm reading

886
00:45:23,380 --> 00:45:20,490
here this is what's really funny and I

887
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:23,390
will forward the 107 pages to you on

888
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:28,410
receipt of your withdrawal yeah and and

889
00:45:32,180 --> 00:45:29,910
that doesn't that doesn't and I'm

890
00:45:33,650 --> 00:45:32,190
telling you I'm gonna stress this again

891
00:45:35,690 --> 00:45:33,660
and I know I'm repeating myself but

892
00:45:36,830 --> 00:45:35,700
9,000 cases I don't have a sink case

893
00:45:38,270 --> 00:45:36,840
where they've ever done that before

894
00:45:39,950 --> 00:45:38,280
right I have had it where they've tried

895
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:39,960
to say hey your commercial requester you

896
00:45:44,210 --> 00:45:41,850
need to pay you know for every single

897
00:45:47,540 --> 00:45:44,220
page and search fees and search fees can

898
00:45:51,410 --> 00:45:47,550
range anywhere from 35 to literally 85

899
00:45:53,420 --> 00:45:51,420
to 125 dollars an hour and and you know

900
00:45:55,790 --> 00:45:53,430
for the government we know they're not

901
00:45:58,099 --> 00:45:55,800
speedy so you're paying some sloths to

902
00:46:00,820 --> 00:45:58,109
you know try and find records and so a

903
00:46:03,620 --> 00:46:00,830
hundred hours later you're broke so

904
00:46:07,010 --> 00:46:03,630
being in a commercial category is very

905
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:07,020
very very bad some people fit in that

906
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:10,650
category I do not and so I chose not to

907
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:13,290
fight it on this one but I don't have

908
00:46:18,050 --> 00:46:15,119
any other cases where they said withdraw

909
00:46:19,849 --> 00:46:18,060
your request and we'll go ahead and give

910
00:46:21,770 --> 00:46:19,859
them to you it just it's it's unheard of

911
00:46:26,450 --> 00:46:21,780
that's what they did on this this one

912
00:46:28,940 --> 00:46:26,460
and and for her to say that if we don't

913
00:46:31,930 --> 00:46:28,950
as of you know as of this date Baba

914
00:46:34,670 --> 00:46:31,940
Bluff we don't get your withdrawal all

915
00:46:37,970 --> 00:46:34,680
documents pertaining to this UFO

916
00:46:40,849 --> 00:46:37,980
sighting will be destroyed in 30 days

917
00:46:43,940 --> 00:46:40,859
from the date of this letter now that

918
00:46:46,430 --> 00:46:43,950
sounds a little funky to me too that is

919
00:46:49,339 --> 00:46:46,440
beyond funky and again

920
00:46:52,969 --> 00:46:49,349
no procedure no manual no

921
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:52,979
no amendment no nothing ever justifies

922
00:46:59,059 --> 00:46:57,599
the destruction of a responsive record

923
00:47:00,940 --> 00:46:59,069
now there are what's called records

924
00:47:03,769 --> 00:47:00,950
retention schedules this is important

925
00:47:06,859 --> 00:47:03,779
records retentions record retention

926
00:47:08,749 --> 00:47:06,869
schedules exist for every agency and in

927
00:47:11,450 --> 00:47:08,759
short what those are is they they

928
00:47:13,940 --> 00:47:11,460
stipulate how long a government agency

929
00:47:16,279 --> 00:47:13,950
will keep records so you know some

930
00:47:17,269 --> 00:47:16,289
records are ultimately destroyed after a

931
00:47:18,979 --> 00:47:17,279
certain amount of time

932
00:47:21,259 --> 00:47:18,989
others are transferred to the National

933
00:47:24,019 --> 00:47:21,269
Archives and so on every agency is

934
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:24,029
different that is a completely different

935
00:47:27,289 --> 00:47:25,049
ballpark

936
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:27,299
other than this letter and this letter

937
00:47:33,049 --> 00:47:30,930
says the 107 pages now that you've

938
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:33,059
requested them now we've put a bomb on

939
00:47:37,460 --> 00:47:35,970
them that that's 30 days and Counting so

940
00:47:41,180 --> 00:47:37,470
if you don't respond we're just going to

941
00:47:44,359 --> 00:47:41,190
destroy them all again 9,000 cases never

942
00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:44,369
have a single example of that ever

943
00:47:50,359 --> 00:47:47,160
happening and yet this particular case

944
00:47:53,390 --> 00:47:50,369
they wanted to destroy those 107 pages

945
00:47:56,989 --> 00:47:53,400
that's there's no way that my request

946
00:47:58,819 --> 00:47:56,999
hit them around a 30-day window of their

947
00:48:00,170 --> 00:47:58,829
records retention schedule stating that

948
00:48:02,059 --> 00:48:00,180
they were going to destroy these things

949
00:48:05,329 --> 00:48:02,069
know the odds of that or

950
00:48:08,359 --> 00:48:05,339
one-in-a-billion there's no way yet they

951
00:48:10,759 --> 00:48:08,369
said if you don't respond they're gone

952
00:48:13,789 --> 00:48:10,769
you know so tell me you responded right

953
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:13,799
you responded absolutely and so I went

954
00:48:19,130 --> 00:48:16,049
through the requests I did it via email

955
00:48:22,059 --> 00:48:19,140
now the letters said an email I know I

956
00:48:25,459 --> 00:48:22,069
sent that email I have it in my own

957
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:25,469
record-keeping and was sent the email

958
00:48:30,529 --> 00:48:27,569
now I will say I would love to show a

959
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:30,539
screenshot of it this was 17 years ago

960
00:48:35,059 --> 00:48:32,640
so things are a little bit different on

961
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:35,069
the technology front and that was a few

962
00:48:39,759 --> 00:48:37,710
quite a few computers ago and sadly that

963
00:48:43,249 --> 00:48:39,769
particular one had a hard drive crash

964
00:48:45,130 --> 00:48:43,259
but you know I mean it is what it is I

965
00:48:48,019 --> 00:48:45,140
sent the the withdraw there's there's no

966
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:48,029
in my mind there's no argument I know I

967
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:50,130
sent it to this particular lady at the

968
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:52,559
FAA so I would through the request but I

969
00:48:55,940 --> 00:48:54,210
didn't hear anything back for awhile and

970
00:48:58,130 --> 00:48:55,950
so I followed up with her and said hey

971
00:48:59,329 --> 00:48:58,140
you know I'm just trying to follow up

972
00:49:00,529 --> 00:48:59,339
and see when I'm going to get those

973
00:49:02,570 --> 00:49:00,539
documents because I went through the

974
00:49:05,300 --> 00:49:02,580
request this is why

975
00:49:07,700 --> 00:49:05,310
this is not part of a standard procedure

976
00:49:10,070 --> 00:49:07,710
when you withdraw a request the moment

977
00:49:13,790 --> 00:49:10,080
you you withdraw a FOIA request you have

978
00:49:16,610 --> 00:49:13,800
no legal standing anymore to ask for

979
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:16,620
anything the FOIA gives you a legal

980
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:18,810
standing to fight for records okay

981
00:49:21,710 --> 00:49:20,010
there's a lot of rules that go along

982
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:21,720
with that but you can at least put up a

983
00:49:26,930 --> 00:49:24,480
legal battle and you have some kind of

984
00:49:29,660 --> 00:49:26,940
foothold into the door of whatever

985
00:49:31,850 --> 00:49:29,670
agency to access records right the

986
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:31,860
moment you step out of FOIA which is

987
00:49:38,030 --> 00:49:34,530
what they required me to do I have no

988
00:49:41,890 --> 00:49:38,040
rights in essence I can't appeal I can't

989
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:41,900
ask for a status technically and

990
00:49:45,710 --> 00:49:44,130
although I did write her and say hey

991
00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:45,720
what you know what's going on you told

992
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:47,730
me if I went through the request they

993
00:49:52,490 --> 00:49:49,890
claimed that they did not hear from me

994
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:52,500
and so they destroyed all of the records

995
00:49:58,970 --> 00:49:56,010
and I mean I was pretty shocked at that

996
00:50:02,930 --> 00:49:58,980
point just simply because I know for a

997
00:50:05,300 --> 00:50:02,940
fact I sent that email and again this is

998
00:50:08,210 --> 00:50:05,310
a very unorthodox way that it all

999
00:50:10,310 --> 00:50:08,220
unfolded but now we were beyond the

1000
00:50:12,650 --> 00:50:10,320
30-day window and I did the follow-up of

1001
00:50:14,450 --> 00:50:12,660
course in retrospect looking back I

1002
00:50:17,150 --> 00:50:14,460
would have done this a lot differently

1003
00:50:19,580 --> 00:50:17,160
but again this was this was something

1004
00:50:22,580 --> 00:50:19,590
that I just didn't think would go down

1005
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:22,590
the way that it went down and she said

1006
00:50:28,100 --> 00:50:25,890
that everything was destroyed and that I

1007
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:28,110
was out of luck and that was in tow and

1008
00:50:35,090 --> 00:50:32,400
that was in 2009 no no no this was still

1009
00:50:38,270 --> 00:50:35,100
2001 when I followed out okay so fast

1010
00:50:39,830 --> 00:50:38,280
forward we passed for you to die yeah I

1011
00:50:42,830 --> 00:50:39,840
didn't wait eight years to follow up

1012
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:42,840
although I you know I have records of 14

1013
00:50:49,310 --> 00:50:45,330
and a half years of waiting for FOIA

1014
00:50:52,100 --> 00:50:49,320
requests but I did I did wait you know a

1015
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:52,110
couple months too just to follow up in

1016
00:50:58,010 --> 00:50:55,290
2001 now 2009 I filed again and the

1017
00:51:00,860 --> 00:50:58,020
reason was because what I've learned is

1018
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:00,870
sometimes as record-keeping technology

1019
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:02,730
changes and they make changes within

1020
00:51:08,450 --> 00:51:05,970
agencies and personnel changes you get

1021
00:51:11,540 --> 00:51:08,460
one answer in 2001 you get a different

1022
00:51:14,210 --> 00:51:11,550
one in 2009 right so I had refiled eight

1023
00:51:16,370 --> 00:51:14,220
years later in the hopes that maybe they

1024
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:16,380
found other copies or just

1025
00:51:20,509 --> 00:51:18,960
covered something or I'll be honest with

1026
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:20,519
you maybe this person wasn't working

1027
00:51:24,140 --> 00:51:21,839
there anymore and then I would get

1028
00:51:27,019 --> 00:51:24,150
somebody that actually a little harder

1029
00:51:29,420 --> 00:51:27,029
and found them right now right so so

1030
00:51:31,730 --> 00:51:29,430
that's what I did and 2009 was another

1031
00:51:32,809 --> 00:51:31,740
confirmation that all of those documents

1032
00:51:34,759 --> 00:51:32,819
were destroyed

1033
00:51:36,890 --> 00:51:34,769
yep I'm looking and I'm looking at the

1034
00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:36,900
letter here and says right here the

1035
00:51:42,380 --> 00:51:40,740
records you requested were destroyed in

1036
00:51:44,569 --> 00:51:42,390
accordance of blah blah blah blah blah

1037
00:51:49,309 --> 00:51:44,579
but yeah it right it's very clear and

1038
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:49,319
that's August 26th 2009 that's correct

1039
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:51,930
and here you are today I'm fade to black

1040
00:51:58,660 --> 00:51:57,450
right 2018 yeah okay yeah okay so what

1041
00:52:04,759 --> 00:51:58,670
happened next

1042
00:52:08,059 --> 00:52:04,769
said fast-forward 17 years after my

1043
00:52:10,130 --> 00:52:08,069
initial request I'm going through you

1044
00:52:12,349 --> 00:52:10,140
know some some archives and indexes of

1045
00:52:15,609 --> 00:52:12,359
the National Archives and by mistake

1046
00:52:20,740 --> 00:52:15,619
find a file folder that talked about a

1047
00:52:23,089 --> 00:52:20,750
1986 UFO incident with Japanese airlines

1048
00:52:27,620 --> 00:52:23,099
well if you've been around UFOs enough

1049
00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:27,630
that's kind of only one case help me out

1050
00:52:31,970 --> 00:52:29,730
here I don't want to interrupt but I

1051
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:31,980
have to know you say that you're going

1052
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:34,650
through the National Archives and you

1053
00:52:39,470 --> 00:52:37,410
find a folder is this on a computer or

1054
00:52:42,170 --> 00:52:39,480
are you physically at the National

1055
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:42,180
Archives and at a file cabinet what do

1056
00:52:48,410 --> 00:52:44,730
you mean by that so this is a digitized

1057
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:48,420
collection and it's one of the many many

1058
00:52:52,460 --> 00:52:49,920
government databases that are out there

1059
00:52:55,579 --> 00:52:52,470
that I you know geek out and trying to

1060
00:52:57,499 --> 00:52:55,589
access and they're very difficult to use

1061
00:53:01,400 --> 00:52:57,509
but but in this particular case it was

1062
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:01,410
digital and so these file folders were

1063
00:53:09,499 --> 00:53:06,089
eventually digitized by a National

1064
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:09,509
Archives personnel and they just I don't

1065
00:53:14,210 --> 00:53:12,240
know if there's if there's a in order

1066
00:53:17,150 --> 00:53:14,220
that they scan things in if it's random

1067
00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:17,160
if it's by request nobody's ever talked

1068
00:53:21,650 --> 00:53:19,710
about these specific records that I've

1069
00:53:23,630 --> 00:53:21,660
heard of now some of these records had

1070
00:53:26,029 --> 00:53:23,640
been out before obviously they had been

1071
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:26,039
requested before and I'll get into the

1072
00:53:29,690 --> 00:53:27,930
bigger history in a minute but it'll be

1073
00:53:31,460 --> 00:53:29,700
a little confusing if I do it now

1074
00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:31,470
but but that's what I mean this was a

1075
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:34,110
digital discovery when I found

1076
00:53:39,110 --> 00:53:36,720
references to file folders but so when

1077
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:39,120
it's digitized the file folders at the

1078
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:40,530
National Archives they're given arc

1079
00:53:45,290 --> 00:53:42,930
identifier numbers and then there or

1080
00:53:48,140 --> 00:53:45,300
Nara identifiers numbers and then

1081
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:48,150
they're they're titled by the folders or

1082
00:53:52,970 --> 00:53:49,890
envelopes that they're discovered in

1083
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:52,980
within the National Archives and so you

1084
00:53:58,460 --> 00:53:55,440
can randomly find just really amazing

1085
00:54:00,800 --> 00:53:58,470
things that from from history I mean it

1086
00:54:02,930 --> 00:54:00,810
it really is something that that is a

1087
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:02,940
experience if you love history or

1088
00:54:07,340 --> 00:54:05,130
anybody that's that is listening loves

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00:54:09,290 --> 00:54:07,350
history I highly recommend either do it

1090
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:09,300
on a digital level and just kind of

1091
00:54:12,980 --> 00:54:10,290
search through some of these databases

1092
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:12,990
more so go and thumb through the

1093
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:14,880
physical archives it's something that

1094
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:17,610
I've done quite a few times and in fact

1095
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:19,440
my very first experience was that the

1096
00:54:23,450 --> 00:54:22,050
the National Archives in DC and I was

1097
00:54:25,730 --> 00:54:23,460
there with my good friend Stanton

1098
00:54:27,530 --> 00:54:25,740
Friedman and to sit next to these

1099
00:54:29,060 --> 00:54:27,540
Stanton Friedman within the National

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00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:29,070
Archives and going through physical

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00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:31,200
pieces of paper was an experience that

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00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:33,450
I'll I'll definitely never forget but

1103
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:35,760
going back to your question so this this

1104
00:54:41,900 --> 00:54:39,810
particular collection was digitized in a

1105
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:41,910
massive amount of information not just

1106
00:54:46,970 --> 00:54:44,490
UFOs I mean all sorts of stuff I just

1107
00:54:49,580 --> 00:54:46,980
got lucky and stumbled on some of the

1108
00:54:52,460 --> 00:54:49,590
digital references to these file folders

1109
00:54:54,260 --> 00:54:52,470
so that's when I started to dig a little

1110
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:54,270
bit at the moment I saw Japanese

1111
00:54:59,300 --> 00:54:57,210
airlines I thought this this can this

1112
00:55:02,210 --> 00:54:59,310
can't be because they've been destroyed

1113
00:55:04,250 --> 00:55:02,220
but but on top of that they came from an

1114
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,260
FAA titled

1115
00:55:09,530 --> 00:55:06,720
record group so everything within the

1116
00:55:11,660 --> 00:55:09,540
National Archives is all sorted in this

1117
00:55:13,820 --> 00:55:11,670
massive collection of record groups and

1118
00:55:16,820 --> 00:55:13,830
then you drill down in the records group

1119
00:55:19,070 --> 00:55:16,830
and most of them are per agency so the

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00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:19,080
FAA has a massive record group and then

1121
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:20,910
you drill down in that record group and

1122
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:22,890
then it kind of you know branches off

1123
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:25,050
and all these other different sections

1124
00:55:30,500 --> 00:55:28,410
and so on one was from from the Alaska

1125
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:30,510
region okay let me jump in real quick we

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00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:31,920
got to hit a break Energon

1127
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:34,650
the original number was a hundred and

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00:55:39,150 --> 00:55:37,890
seven pages that they referenced to you

1129
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:39,160
that were

1130
00:55:47,740 --> 00:55:43,490
destroyed in his folder how many pages

1131
00:55:49,450 --> 00:55:47,750
did you find over 1500 and it wasn't

1132
00:55:51,490 --> 00:55:49,460
just the one folder I got lucky finding

1133
00:55:56,740 --> 00:55:51,500
the one I dug quite a bit more and found

1134
00:55:59,620 --> 00:55:56,750
there a 41 total envelope slash folders

1135
00:56:03,550 --> 00:55:59,630
and then digging within those 41 groups

1136
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:03,560
there was over 1,500 pages all relating

1137
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:06,530
to the UFO sighting on 1628 that's the

1138
00:56:13,180 --> 00:56:09,530
Holy Grail now what are the what are the

1139
00:56:14,530 --> 00:56:13,190
odds of that can and well you don't have

1140
00:56:17,410 --> 00:56:14,540
to answer that question I've got to head

1141
00:56:20,260 --> 00:56:17,420
towards a break but can anybody go into

1142
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:20,270
the National Archives do you need some

1143
00:56:26,650 --> 00:56:23,599
kind of clearance or can anybody sign in

1144
00:56:28,810 --> 00:56:26,660
and go and poke around no you do have to

1145
00:56:30,490 --> 00:56:28,820
sign up but but there's no like

1146
00:56:32,140 --> 00:56:30,500
prerequisite I mean you just go in with

1147
00:56:34,839 --> 00:56:32,150
a valid ID and sign when you're

1148
00:56:36,730 --> 00:56:34,849
physically there you go in and sign in

1149
00:56:39,370 --> 00:56:36,740
you got a cool little magic card that

1150
00:56:41,500 --> 00:56:39,380
gets you access you gotta wear gloves in

1151
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:41,510
many cases when you access the original

1152
00:56:45,220 --> 00:56:43,040
records and that's what's very cool

1153
00:56:48,430 --> 00:56:45,230
about it as you're accessing the the

1154
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:48,440
real physical documents in most cases

1155
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:50,930
and we're calling these right well and

1156
00:56:57,370 --> 00:56:53,599
what about the the digital archive who

1157
00:56:59,470 --> 00:56:57,380
can access that depends on the digital

1158
00:57:02,440 --> 00:56:59,480
archive some you can just log on right

1159
00:57:04,900 --> 00:57:02,450
now others you need to be on a certain

1160
00:57:07,930 --> 00:57:04,910
computer and access it from certain

1161
00:57:10,300 --> 00:57:07,940
libraries or approved places so it's PI

1162
00:57:12,670 --> 00:57:10,310
IP address right it's thoroughly

1163
00:57:15,490 --> 00:57:12,680
confusing it really is because the

1164
00:57:17,890 --> 00:57:15,500
different databases require you to be in

1165
00:57:18,940 --> 00:57:17,900
different areas again it's not because

1166
00:57:21,579 --> 00:57:18,950
it's classified

1167
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:21,589
it's just sadly they do limit access to

1168
00:57:26,589 --> 00:57:24,410
some databases but not all so you can

1169
00:57:29,140 --> 00:57:26,599
actually go on the National Archives

1170
00:57:31,150 --> 00:57:29,150
website now and you can start sifting

1171
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:31,160
through you know government documents

1172
00:57:34,300 --> 00:57:32,960
and you know pick some keywords and

1173
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:34,310
start going through and see what you

1174
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:35,930
find and there's an amazing collection

1175
00:57:44,859 --> 00:57:43,540
that's incredible let's take a break

1176
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:44,869
right here we'll come back we'll start

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00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:46,400
going through these documents and what

1178
00:57:50,690 --> 00:57:48,770
happened next it is one of the most

1179
00:57:53,300 --> 00:57:50,700
important cases in all of UFO

1180
00:57:55,819 --> 00:57:53,310
history and John seriously men it's like

1181
00:57:58,040 --> 00:57:55,829
you backed out of your driveway and and

1182
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:58,050
just ran right over it and it's just

1183
00:58:01,730 --> 00:57:59,280
yeah good for you

1184
00:58:03,260 --> 00:58:01,740
John Greenwald the black vault is here

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later on tonight we're gonna talk about

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00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:07,440
the loan a tip document that he happened

1187
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:10,410
to find in this Freedom of Information

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Act request I'll be right back this is

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black I'm

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01:02:53,250 --> 01:02:50,350
your host Jimmy Church our guest tonight

1281
01:02:56,460 --> 01:02:53,260
John Greenwald of the black vault we're

1282
01:03:01,080 --> 01:02:56,470
discussing the Japan Airlines jl flight

1283
01:03:03,930 --> 01:03:01,090
1628 UFO encounter and the document

1284
01:03:06,270 --> 01:03:03,940
treasure trove that he discovered in the

1285
01:03:08,910 --> 01:03:06,280
National Archives quite by chance and

1286
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:08,920
you know John it's called synchronicity

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man that's the universe that's the

1288
01:03:14,660 --> 01:03:12,370
electric universe working in your favor

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01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:14,670
right there this was meant to happen

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17 years man it is the hero's journey

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01:03:25,980 --> 01:03:22,420
well it was unexpected I'll give it that

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01:03:29,070 --> 01:03:25,990
and I I was pleased to find them and

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01:03:32,790 --> 01:03:29,080
also equally pleased to see what was

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01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:32,800
inside the the 41 folders of material

1295
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:35,890
that was far beyond what I really

1296
01:03:39,870 --> 01:03:36,640
expected

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now I've posted up on Twitter everybody

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you can head over to hashtag f2b

1299
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:44,800
or my Twitter feed at Jay Church radio

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the links are right there to take you

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01:03:53,820 --> 01:03:50,890
straight to jl 1628 page on the black

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01:03:56,130 --> 01:03:53,830
vault where all of the documents pdfs

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01:03:59,670 --> 01:03:56,140
are all right there

1304
01:04:02,460 --> 01:03:59,680
and you can actually download the entire

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set as a zip file too as well John

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01:04:08,700 --> 01:04:03,880
you're so cool when it comes to this

1307
01:04:10,470 --> 01:04:08,710
kind of stuff it's cool whatever that is

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01:04:13,110 --> 01:04:10,480
wait you know what I was gonna say that

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01:04:15,420 --> 01:04:13,120
earlier you poking around in the

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01:04:17,580 --> 01:04:15,430
National Archives digitally into folders

1311
01:04:20,250 --> 01:04:17,590
and finding something like this is the

1312
01:04:22,230 --> 01:04:20,260
ultimate geeky thing to even admit to I

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01:04:24,570 --> 01:04:22,240
mean that is Harry I'll take it

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01:04:27,330 --> 01:04:24,580
that's straight keek I beat them well

1315
01:04:31,050 --> 01:04:27,340
now but I love it and I live for stuff

1316
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:31,060
like that because again I just see and

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01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:33,490
you said it 17 years imagine that long

1318
01:04:37,470 --> 01:04:35,290
and I and I've talked about this a lot

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01:04:40,260 --> 01:04:37,480
in public you know speeches that I give

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01:04:41,910 --> 01:04:40,270
and I love it in interviews I don't know

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01:04:44,340 --> 01:04:41,920
if I brought it up on on fade to black

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01:04:45,780 --> 01:04:44,350
before but but probably you know in the

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01:04:47,820 --> 01:04:45,790
past however many years we've known each

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01:04:49,830 --> 01:04:47,830
other and so it when you're when you're

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01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:49,840
so used to telling a story a certain way

1326
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:51,730
that hey these documents are gone

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01:04:56,430 --> 01:04:54,610
they're lost they're destroyed and it

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01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:56,440
and it kills me inside just because I

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love history so much

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whenever I get word not only on flight

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01:05:04,310 --> 01:05:02,670
16:28 but but I received quite a few

1332
01:05:06,260 --> 01:05:04,320
letters over the years of documents

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01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:06,270
being destroyed it kills me inside to

1334
01:05:10,850 --> 01:05:08,610
discover after 17 years of being used to

1335
01:05:15,050 --> 01:05:10,860
that story - just say poof

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01:05:16,940 --> 01:05:15,060
here's 107 Plus about 1400 more you know

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01:05:18,620 --> 01:05:16,950
that's it was a pretty surreal

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01:05:21,230 --> 01:05:18,630
discovery and I'm still going through

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01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:21,240
them - I mean you know this literally

1340
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:24,090
just happened days ago I mean I think it

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01:05:29,180 --> 01:05:26,570
was Thursday when when I got everything

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01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:29,190
digitized and uploaded and her excuse me

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01:05:32,930 --> 01:05:31,050
I uploaded and programmed into the site

1344
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:32,940
and you know here we are

1345
01:05:38,510 --> 01:05:35,370
just a few days later now I want to take

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01:05:40,100 --> 01:05:38,520
the opportunity here just to mention to

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our audience you know you've been

1348
01:05:44,540 --> 01:05:42,270
producing television for a long time of

1349
01:05:46,450 --> 01:05:44,550
course the black vault you've you know

1350
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:46,460
written your book and stuff but just

1351
01:05:53,660 --> 01:05:50,730
recently you've decided to get into

1352
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:53,670
broadcasting and you've started your own

1353
01:05:59,240 --> 01:05:57,210
little radio program and so work and

1354
01:06:01,610 --> 01:05:59,250
everybody listened to that and when and

1355
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:01,620
where do you do it yeah I appreciate

1356
01:06:05,450 --> 01:06:03,690
that so I started the the blackballed

1357
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:05,460
radio I did it many years ago and in

1358
01:06:10,370 --> 01:06:07,650
fact I've done quite a few different

1359
01:06:12,110 --> 01:06:10,380
things in radio the late dr. Roger Leir

1360
01:06:14,450 --> 01:06:12,120
who was a friend of mine for many many

1361
01:06:16,340 --> 01:06:14,460
many years dr. Leir and I actually

1362
01:06:17,930 --> 01:06:16,350
hosted a radio show together for quite

1363
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:17,940
some time called millennium mysteries

1364
01:06:22,190 --> 01:06:20,610
and I actually found a bunch of old

1365
01:06:23,300 --> 01:06:22,200
interviews that we did and this is

1366
01:06:26,810 --> 01:06:23,310
probably going back

1367
01:06:29,030 --> 01:06:26,820
gosh 1314 years maybe a little bit more

1368
01:06:31,340 --> 01:06:29,040
I'm trying to figure out the dates but

1369
01:06:34,070 --> 01:06:31,350
anyway so I've played around with radio

1370
01:06:35,390 --> 01:06:34,080
for quite some time and then now I went

1371
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:35,400
ahead and took the plunge started

1372
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:37,290
producing some some audio shows where

1373
01:06:42,470 --> 01:06:39,930
people can download different different

1374
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:42,480
interviews news headlines high-profile

1375
01:06:46,190 --> 01:06:44,370
documents all the time and in different

1376
01:06:47,540 --> 01:06:46,200
segments so I tried to do something a

1377
01:06:50,570 --> 01:06:47,550
little bit different than traditional

1378
01:06:52,220 --> 01:06:50,580
radio no clock so I don't adhere to you

1379
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:52,230
know hey we got a commercial coming up

1380
01:06:55,070 --> 01:06:53,250
not that there's anything wrong with

1381
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:55,080
that but I just did it a little bit

1382
01:06:57,710 --> 01:06:55,530
different

1383
01:06:59,240 --> 01:06:57,720
you can log onto the black vault comm on

1384
01:07:01,730 --> 01:06:59,250
the right hand side you'll see all of

1385
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:01,740
the different episodes that I've done so

1386
01:07:06,830 --> 01:07:04,530
far there's probably about 24 25 hours

1387
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:06,840
of content all ready to download with a

1388
01:07:11,180 --> 01:07:09,210
lot more coming so still fairly new but

1389
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:11,190
the feedback has been awesome so I

1390
01:07:15,540 --> 01:07:12,970
appreciate you bringing that up

1391
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:15,550
it's a lot of work to to do this kind of

1392
01:07:21,210 --> 01:07:18,250
stuff and and anyway that you know I can

1393
01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:21,220
help and let others know that you're

1394
01:07:24,690 --> 01:07:22,960
doing this hey you know that's what we

1395
01:07:26,819 --> 01:07:24,700
do here you know it's it's just family

1396
01:07:31,349 --> 01:07:26,829
man now let's get to this document

1397
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:31,359
archive there is so much here you just

1398
01:07:35,370 --> 01:07:33,250
stated that you're still going through

1399
01:07:37,770 --> 01:07:35,380
it which I can appreciate you've only

1400
01:07:39,750 --> 01:07:37,780
had your hands on these for a few short

1401
01:07:41,099 --> 01:07:39,760
days and breaking the story here on fade

1402
01:07:45,980 --> 01:07:41,109
to black I appreciate that

1403
01:07:48,270 --> 01:07:45,990
but let's let's kind of start at the top

1404
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:48,280
only because I can't think of another

1405
01:07:53,579 --> 01:07:50,410
way to do it but the first document you

1406
01:07:57,359 --> 01:07:53,589
have here is a statement of course for

1407
01:08:00,450 --> 01:07:57,369
records NTIS and content of package it's

1408
01:08:01,890 --> 01:08:00,460
eight pages what says document so here's

1409
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:01,900
kind of the summary of what that means

1410
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:03,760
so NTIS is a national technical

1411
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:06,730
information center and yes I know it

1412
01:08:12,030 --> 01:08:09,970
says s but it referred to NT icier or

1413
01:08:15,300 --> 01:08:12,040
service national technical information

1414
01:08:18,059 --> 01:08:15,310
service and the the short of it is they

1415
01:08:20,849 --> 01:08:18,069
collect these technical documents not

1416
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:20,859
only on UFOs but a massive amount and

1417
01:08:26,820 --> 01:08:23,770
the reason why NT is got involved was

1418
01:08:30,209 --> 01:08:26,830
because after the FAA learned of flight

1419
01:08:32,519 --> 01:08:30,219
1628 s encounter and they did an

1420
01:08:36,590 --> 01:08:32,529
investigation which by the way is a very

1421
01:08:38,550 --> 01:08:36,600
important point in itself because again

1422
01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:38,560
1969 although we haven't brought that up

1423
01:08:43,709 --> 01:08:41,440
in this interview but 1969 was supposed

1424
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:43,719
to be the government and military's

1425
01:08:48,450 --> 01:08:46,210
final year that they cared about UFOs

1426
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:48,460
they heard about this UFO encounter with

1427
01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:50,410
flight 1628 they took it very very

1428
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:52,719
seriously and conducted a investigation

1429
01:08:59,280 --> 01:08:56,650
the FAA they finished a report and sent

1430
01:09:01,709 --> 01:08:59,290
it to NCIS to then sell to the public

1431
01:09:04,019 --> 01:09:01,719
and when anything goes into NCIS it

1432
01:09:05,789 --> 01:09:04,029
makes me cringe because they still to

1433
01:09:07,860 --> 01:09:05,799
this day will will charge you for

1434
01:09:09,420 --> 01:09:07,870
information it doesn't matter about the

1435
01:09:11,820 --> 01:09:09,430
FOIA at all the Freedom of Information

1436
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:11,830
Act doesn't really apply so it could be

1437
01:09:16,050 --> 01:09:14,170
a 50 page report and they'll still

1438
01:09:17,999 --> 01:09:16,060
charge you you know whatever their fee

1439
01:09:20,610 --> 01:09:18,009
schedule is now probably 20 cents a page

1440
01:09:22,919 --> 01:09:20,620
or whatever it is so you'll have to pay

1441
01:09:26,110 --> 01:09:22,929
for it so what they did after the FAA

1442
01:09:28,690 --> 01:09:26,120
did this investigation to the public who

1443
01:09:31,570 --> 01:09:28,700
funded the investigation they decided to

1444
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:31,580
sell it back to them and so some of

1445
01:09:36,130 --> 01:09:33,410
these records in the beginning including

1446
01:09:39,570 --> 01:09:36,140
the the NTIS and content a package is

1447
01:09:41,860 --> 01:09:39,580
some of the documents outlining what was

1448
01:09:45,580 --> 01:09:41,870
what what it was that they were selling

1449
01:09:49,420 --> 01:09:45,590
and the order form to actually order it

1450
01:09:50,590 --> 01:09:49,430
and in that first PDF this is this

1451
01:09:53,170 --> 01:09:50,600
actually very interesting because you

1452
01:09:58,450 --> 01:09:53,180
obviously don't have to to pay for it

1453
01:10:01,300 --> 01:09:58,460
but but look at what people did 194 30

1454
01:10:04,090 --> 01:10:01,310
cents it's incredible and it says order

1455
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:04,100
form for jl flight 1628 this is at the

1456
01:10:10,420 --> 01:10:06,890
top of the page everybody it's like page

1457
01:10:13,330 --> 01:10:10,430
four or five unidentified traffic

1458
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:13,340
sighting November eighteenth 1986 the

1459
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:16,010
event occurred on November 17 1986 and

1460
01:10:21,100 --> 01:10:18,650
then it says for 194 dollars and 30

1461
01:10:24,010 --> 01:10:21,110
cents you get the complete package of

1462
01:10:31,180 --> 01:10:24,020
all written records photographs plus all

1463
01:10:33,820 --> 01:10:31,190
tape recordings not to jump forward but

1464
01:10:37,810 --> 01:10:33,830
what was interesting was in this 1,500

1465
01:10:40,690 --> 01:10:37,820
pages towards the end were file folders

1466
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:40,700
of people that did pay it that sent in

1467
01:10:45,340 --> 01:10:43,280
their check and I'm curious I mean I

1468
01:10:47,860 --> 01:10:45,350
haven't gone through all of the letters

1469
01:10:49,810 --> 01:10:47,870
to add up but there were a lot of people

1470
01:10:52,030 --> 01:10:49,820
that paid that amount of money to get

1471
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:52,040
this collection that's a lot of money

1472
01:10:55,480 --> 01:10:54,290
back then I mean this is you know one

1473
01:10:58,210 --> 01:10:55,490
hundred ninety four dollars a lot of

1474
01:11:01,180 --> 01:10:58,220
money in 2018 but this was in the late

1475
01:11:04,030 --> 01:11:01,190
1980s people were paying this to get the

1476
01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:04,040
documents what they got is broken down

1477
01:11:08,050 --> 01:11:06,320
in this order form and so you kind of

1478
01:11:09,700 --> 01:11:08,060
see you can actually pick and choose so

1479
01:11:11,740 --> 01:11:09,710
if you see here if you only wanted like

1480
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:11,750
one particular report like one was

1481
01:11:17,890 --> 01:11:14,330
eleven dollars another was ten another

1482
01:11:19,420 --> 01:11:17,900
was 25 for the cassette some people may

1483
01:11:21,460 --> 01:11:19,430
not even know what a cassette is anymore

1484
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:21,470
but that's what they were selling and a

1485
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:23,090
lot of people wrote in well the FAA

1486
01:11:27,610 --> 01:11:25,520
saved all of those letters and I got

1487
01:11:29,890 --> 01:11:27,620
them all including the people's names

1488
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:29,900
and the handwritten letters and they

1489
01:11:34,270 --> 01:11:32,960
they placed orders for it and that's a

1490
01:11:36,700 --> 01:11:34,280
show in itself but whenever the

1491
01:11:39,370 --> 01:11:36,710
government is funded by taxpayer dollars

1492
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:39,380
and they create a report of public

1493
01:11:44,230 --> 01:11:39,890
interest

1494
01:11:46,780 --> 01:11:44,240
the late 1980s and then they turn around

1495
01:11:50,020 --> 01:11:46,790
and sell it back to me I have a very

1496
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:50,030
huge fundamental issue with that but you

1497
01:11:54,700 --> 01:11:52,370
know again that's a different show but

1498
01:11:57,550 --> 01:11:54,710
but that's what the beginning pages were

1499
01:11:58,840 --> 01:11:57,560
that kind of outlined hey if the general

1500
01:12:00,670 --> 01:11:58,850
public wants this this is how much

1501
01:12:03,970 --> 01:12:00,680
you're going to pay this is the broken

1502
01:12:05,590 --> 01:12:03,980
down list of what you'll get if you want

1503
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:05,600
a piecemeal it go ahead and check what

1504
01:12:09,370 --> 01:12:07,250
you want send a check for however much

1505
01:12:13,270 --> 01:12:09,380
the total is and will go ahead and send

1506
01:12:17,710 --> 01:12:13,280
it to you I I don't know based on what

1507
01:12:20,740 --> 01:12:17,720
is on this form if it totaled 1,500

1508
01:12:21,100 --> 01:12:20,750
pages as of my interview with you

1509
01:12:24,490 --> 01:12:21,110
tonight

1510
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:24,500
I haven't found that on this particular

1511
01:12:29,070 --> 01:12:26,570
order form there there are like five

1512
01:12:32,440 --> 01:12:29,080
page 3 page 2 page right right

1513
01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:32,450
stipulation on that but I you know is

1514
01:12:37,390 --> 01:12:34,490
that really the page count of what they

1515
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:37,400
got I'm not really sure but you can see

1516
01:12:43,420 --> 01:12:40,250
it's definitely a far cry from you know

1517
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:43,430
1,500 pages even a thousand pages so

1518
01:12:49,780 --> 01:12:46,130
what exactly you were getting on I'm not

1519
01:12:52,540 --> 01:12:49,790
sure what for three dollars and five

1520
01:12:53,020 --> 01:12:52,550
cents right I'm looking at it here a la

1521
01:12:55,210 --> 01:12:53,030
carte

1522
01:12:58,870 --> 01:12:55,220
three dollars and five cents you get the

1523
01:13:00,910 --> 01:12:58,880
chronology of events five pages you get

1524
01:13:03,010 --> 01:13:00,920
a transcript this is where I would go

1525
01:13:04,990 --> 01:13:03,020
for three bucks transcription of

1526
01:13:10,090 --> 01:13:05,000
communications between air traffic

1527
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:10,100
control and 1628 flight path chart the

1528
01:13:15,730 --> 01:13:12,730
the transcription is 23 pages by the way

1529
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:15,740
flight path one page personal statements

1530
01:13:21,370 --> 01:13:17,930
eight pages and then you also get the

1531
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:21,380
FAA form daily record of facility

1532
01:13:26,650 --> 01:13:24,050
operations showing the time and watch

1533
01:13:28,690 --> 01:13:26,660
supervisors entries of all major items

1534
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:28,700
in the flight activity log that's three

1535
01:13:35,230 --> 01:13:32,330
pages for my money that's the best $3.05

1536
01:13:37,810 --> 01:13:35,240
you might spend in all of ufology that's

1537
01:13:40,750 --> 01:13:37,820
that's absolutely incredible what a

1538
01:13:44,440 --> 01:13:40,760
document and this wasn't even supposed

1539
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:44,450
to exist right let's go to uh let's let

1540
01:13:48,699 --> 01:13:45,890
me look at the clock here we've got so

1541
01:13:51,969 --> 01:13:48,709
much data to go through

1542
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:51,979
the next FA aircraft incident board what

1543
01:13:56,379 --> 01:13:54,249
would you like to open up next

1544
01:13:59,859 --> 01:13:56,389
yeah the blog though the most

1545
01:14:01,330 --> 01:13:59,869
interesting part in this discovery and

1546
01:14:02,979 --> 01:14:01,340
again some of these documents are I'm

1547
01:14:05,679 --> 01:14:02,989
not sure which ones were or which one

1548
01:14:08,049 --> 01:14:05,689
weren't I you know that it might be even

1549
01:14:09,639 --> 01:14:08,059
impossible to tell you know how much

1550
01:14:10,989 --> 01:14:09,649
these have circulated but I'll just got

1551
01:14:13,239 --> 01:14:10,999
to give the rough overview of the more

1552
01:14:19,449 --> 01:14:13,249
important parts the captain of flight

1553
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:19,459
1628 he gave a long interview with the

1554
01:14:25,419 --> 01:14:23,360
FAA after the fact I included with that

1555
01:14:28,239 --> 01:14:25,429
was the first officer and even the

1556
01:14:30,729 --> 01:14:28,249
flight engineer they all gave extensive

1557
01:14:34,209 --> 01:14:30,739
interviews with the FAA detailing their

1558
01:14:36,029 --> 01:14:34,219
encounter what they saw and in this

1559
01:14:39,580 --> 01:14:36,039
collection you can download the entire

1560
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:39,590
transcript of what he said the captain

1561
01:14:43,899 --> 01:14:41,360
also submitted although it's in Japanese

1562
01:14:45,489 --> 01:14:43,909
but for any Japanese speaking listeners

1563
01:14:47,290 --> 01:14:45,499
maybe they can kind of you know

1564
01:14:49,060 --> 01:14:47,300
cross-reference some of the English

1565
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:49,070
translations because sometimes the

1566
01:14:53,020 --> 01:14:51,199
government may not be entirely accurate

1567
01:14:56,020 --> 01:14:53,030
I know that comes as a shock to some

1568
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:56,030
people but maybe those that speak

1569
01:15:00,850 --> 01:14:57,530
Japanese can look at the written

1570
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:00,860
statement by the captain and see what he

1571
01:15:05,589 --> 01:15:03,530
wrote in his native language I can say

1572
01:15:08,109 --> 01:15:05,599
this though that in and this was kind of

1573
01:15:10,299 --> 01:15:08,119
interesting to me he called the UFO that

1574
01:15:12,699 --> 01:15:10,309
he saw a mothership on multiple

1575
01:15:14,259 --> 01:15:12,709
occasions within his interview and so

1576
01:15:17,859 --> 01:15:14,269
you're you know as an experienced

1577
01:15:21,100 --> 01:15:17,869
commercial pilot in 96 you you're not

1578
01:15:22,949 --> 01:15:21,110
you're not going to be you're not going

1579
01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:22,959
to be describing a you know a

1580
01:15:28,270 --> 01:15:25,840
neighboring 747 in flight as a

1581
01:15:30,069 --> 01:15:28,280
mothership you know even a military

1582
01:15:32,529 --> 01:15:30,079
aircraft if he sees it streaking through

1583
01:15:35,709 --> 01:15:32,539
the sky that's a very interesting term

1584
01:15:39,009 --> 01:15:35,719
to use and yet he used it on multiple

1585
01:15:40,899 --> 01:15:39,019
occasions it's for me to kind of go

1586
01:15:43,359 --> 01:15:40,909
through what the pilot saw and then you

1587
01:15:47,889 --> 01:15:43,369
see the crewmembers that's one of the

1588
01:15:49,919 --> 01:15:47,899
more important finds in this group well

1589
01:15:53,770 --> 01:15:49,929
let me jump in really Kerry because

1590
01:15:56,849 --> 01:15:53,780
specifically he says he's getting

1591
01:16:01,149 --> 01:15:56,859
interviewed by is it Richard Gordon

1592
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:01,159
where Gordon's you know and so Terry he

1593
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:02,449
says

1594
01:16:09,070 --> 01:16:06,010
of cargo flight and took off 2 a.m.

1595
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:09,080
midnight after midnight after takeoff we

1596
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:11,360
start to climb and we saw on the left

1597
01:16:18,490 --> 01:16:15,050
hand side a big mothership and he says

1598
01:16:21,010 --> 01:16:18,500
it was so weird that I ignored it and

1599
01:16:24,490 --> 01:16:21,020
then he says yeah a big ship and the

1600
01:16:26,979 --> 01:16:24,500
second time as our clear sky daytime

1601
01:16:28,930 --> 01:16:26,989
above I guess maybe 10,000 feet the

1602
01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:28,940
light continued for about 10 minutes

1603
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:31,840
but he says right there mothership

1604
01:16:37,300 --> 01:16:34,880
that's a very interesting why do you

1605
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:37,310
think I mean for you and I and the rest

1606
01:16:43,930 --> 01:16:41,090
of the UFO audience out there mothership

1607
01:16:47,260 --> 01:16:43,940
we understand what that may mean or

1608
01:16:49,930 --> 01:16:47,270
imply but when you see this coming from

1609
01:16:53,260 --> 01:16:49,940
a pilot is he referencing the same thing

1610
01:16:54,700 --> 01:16:53,270
that we're thinking about in my opinion

1611
01:16:57,399 --> 01:16:54,710
yes and I would and this is where I

1612
01:16:59,290 --> 01:16:57,409
would be curious to kind of see somebody

1613
01:17:00,790 --> 01:16:59,300
who you know speaks Japanese to kind of

1614
01:17:02,290 --> 01:17:00,800
go through his original because I have

1615
01:17:04,810 --> 01:17:02,300
all the original statements that he's

1616
01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:04,820
submitted in Japanese to kind of see was

1617
01:17:10,979 --> 01:17:07,760
this maybe a translation issue but he

1618
01:17:14,109 --> 01:17:10,989
but he gave this particular part of the

1619
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:14,119
interview in English so I believe he was

1620
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:19,610
obviously bilingual but he he is the one

1621
01:17:24,459 --> 01:17:22,010
I believe from looking at this that

1622
01:17:27,370 --> 01:17:24,469
chose the word mothership and continued

1623
01:17:29,169 --> 01:17:27,380
to use it throughout he also when he

1624
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:29,179
described the mothership was talking

1625
01:17:33,129 --> 01:17:31,010
about the certain light patterns that

1626
01:17:36,820 --> 01:17:33,139
were on it now here's why I bring that

1627
01:17:39,010 --> 01:17:36,830
up a pilot planes excuse me commercial

1628
01:17:41,340 --> 01:17:39,020
airliners have specific lights and

1629
01:17:44,290 --> 01:17:41,350
specific positions for a reason and

1630
01:17:46,419 --> 01:17:44,300
pilots are much well more well-versed

1631
01:17:48,550 --> 01:17:46,429
than I am to explain you know why

1632
01:17:50,620 --> 01:17:48,560
certain colors are on what side of the

1633
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:50,630
aircraft and so on but they are there

1634
01:17:55,030 --> 01:17:52,730
for a reason right they're stipulated on

1635
01:17:56,979 --> 01:17:55,040
why they're there when a pilot sees a

1636
01:17:58,660 --> 01:17:56,989
craft describes it as a mother ship and

1637
01:18:01,450 --> 01:17:58,670
the lights don't match up to anything

1638
01:18:03,850 --> 01:18:01,460
that he is aware of that to me is a very

1639
01:18:06,820 --> 01:18:03,860
important part of the story if somebody

1640
01:18:08,410 --> 01:18:06,830
from the ground unrelated to flight 1628

1641
01:18:10,810 --> 01:18:08,420
somebody from the ground called me up

1642
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:10,820
and said John I saw a UFO it had a red

1643
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:13,130
and blue flashing light and it was

1644
01:18:16,180 --> 01:18:15,650
flying through the air that to me kind

1645
01:18:18,220 --> 01:18:16,190
of screamed

1646
01:18:20,650 --> 01:18:18,230
okay well that really kind of follows

1647
01:18:22,209 --> 01:18:20,660
FAA regulations there so I don't really

1648
01:18:24,580 --> 01:18:22,219
think that we're going to be talking

1649
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:24,590
about an alien spacecraft my point with

1650
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:26,090
that is I think that a lot of things are

1651
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:28,370
misidentified but when a pilot sees

1652
01:18:32,110 --> 01:18:30,320
certain light patterns on what he calls

1653
01:18:35,830 --> 01:18:32,120
a mothership that don't fit into

1654
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:35,840
anything that he has seen or is is known

1655
01:18:40,030 --> 01:18:38,090
to exist or that he's trained to look

1656
01:18:42,220 --> 01:18:40,040
out for or so on to me that's an

1657
01:18:45,820 --> 01:18:42,230
important part and he does say that when

1658
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:45,830
he's describing the the mothership when

1659
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:49,010
he sees when he sees these lights in the

1660
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:53,090
sky so what that means I don't know what

1661
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:54,890
did he see I'm not really sure but I can

1662
01:19:00,640 --> 01:18:57,290
say that he was an experienced enough

1663
01:19:02,590 --> 01:19:00,650
pilot to identify something if it was

1664
01:19:05,380 --> 01:19:02,600
another commercial airliner or possibly

1665
01:19:08,229 --> 01:19:05,390
military and yet yet he couldn't do it

1666
01:19:09,820 --> 01:19:08,239
yeah he says here this is very

1667
01:19:11,410 --> 01:19:09,830
interesting remember he's a fighter

1668
01:19:14,290 --> 01:19:11,420
pilot too as well he's talking about

1669
01:19:18,189 --> 01:19:14,300
flames and exhaust in the in the smaller

1670
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:18,199
craft and he says I saw sparks like fire

1671
01:19:23,410 --> 01:19:21,290
when using gasoline or carbon fuel you

1672
01:19:25,930 --> 01:19:23,420
know that's how he describes it you can

1673
01:19:29,979 --> 01:19:25,940
see a great big flame but I could not

1674
01:19:34,870 --> 01:19:29,989
see flame at another angle although

1675
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:34,880
there was a big blast and then there's

1676
01:19:39,070 --> 01:19:37,130
another Japanese must be an interpreter

1677
01:19:40,780 --> 01:19:39,080
he says seems like it's really high

1678
01:19:42,610 --> 01:19:40,790
technology because you can't see

1679
01:19:44,979 --> 01:19:42,620
anything over there unless it's in a

1680
01:19:46,770 --> 01:19:44,989
spinning rotation and then Gordon comes

1681
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:46,780
in and says yeah okay somebody said

1682
01:19:52,390 --> 01:19:49,850
sometimes the sparks kick over into it

1683
01:19:54,250 --> 01:19:52,400
and you could see the exhaust now in my

1684
01:19:57,850 --> 01:19:54,260
mind there's another picture you have

1685
01:20:01,600 --> 01:19:57,860
here where this this could be on this

1686
01:20:03,700 --> 01:20:01,610
big thing at captain and this is what he

1687
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:03,710
says check this out this is Terry oh gee

1688
01:20:12,310 --> 01:20:07,690
quite different this is just a small

1689
01:20:15,459 --> 01:20:12,320
spaceship this one the other one the

1690
01:20:17,380 --> 01:20:15,469
mothership is the size of a carrier two

1691
01:20:20,650 --> 01:20:17,390
times bigger

1692
01:20:23,500 --> 01:20:20,660
it's a mothership so after they flew

1693
01:20:27,010 --> 01:20:23,510
with us three or five minutes like a

1694
01:20:29,370 --> 01:20:27,020
home mission they move to the mothership

1695
01:20:32,460 --> 01:20:29,380
he's talking about the two small craft

1696
01:20:35,190 --> 01:20:32,470
so then I found the mothership light but

1697
01:20:37,650 --> 01:20:35,200
this is not light all engine because we

1698
01:20:40,410 --> 01:20:37,660
have contacts seven or eight miles here

1699
01:20:43,650 --> 01:20:40,420
so we saw the first light so the first

1700
01:20:45,690 --> 01:20:43,660
light contact they move behind so we saw

1701
01:20:50,340 --> 01:20:45,700
the pairs of light he's talking about

1702
01:20:53,010 --> 01:20:50,350
the two smaller craft that so we saw

1703
01:20:55,620 --> 01:20:53,020
this light the same size this one the

1704
01:20:57,530 --> 01:20:55,630
same size very interesting so that's why

1705
01:21:00,810 --> 01:20:57,540
he's calling it a mothership he says

1706
01:21:02,580 --> 01:21:00,820
Gordon says so do you think that it was

1707
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:02,590
just the mothership and then these

1708
01:21:08,370 --> 01:21:05,410
little things were and he goes yeah they

1709
01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:08,380
were moving along and and and went to

1710
01:21:13,260 --> 01:21:10,960
the mothership very inner soul at swai

1711
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:13,270
called it the mothership because the two

1712
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:16,570
craft in the official reports that I

1713
01:21:21,990 --> 01:21:19,210
have seen in the past the two craft

1714
01:21:25,050 --> 01:21:22,000
disappeared that's what I thought and

1715
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:25,060
then this giant walnut-sized thing rises

1716
01:21:30,990 --> 01:21:28,570
up in front of jl 1628 but now he's

1717
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:31,000
saying here that the two smaller craft

1718
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:35,890
moved to the mothership very interesting

1719
01:21:40,580 --> 01:21:38,170
I cannot believe you found this document

1720
01:21:43,170 --> 01:21:40,590
I just can't yeah but I'm reading here

1721
01:21:44,370 --> 01:21:43,180
well the the other interesting thing too

1722
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:44,380
is you go through because and the

1723
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:47,050
transcript is long and and and so I

1724
01:21:50,190 --> 01:21:48,730
would encourage anybody listening

1725
01:21:52,740 --> 01:21:50,200
definitely read it because you can

1726
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:52,750
essentially see what here what the pilot

1727
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:55,330
was saying and the other interesting

1728
01:22:00,450 --> 01:21:56,530
thing though is that there are

1729
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:00,460
contradictions on what the FAA personnel

1730
01:22:04,380 --> 01:22:02,290
and everybody was reporting and it comes

1731
01:22:06,210 --> 01:22:04,390
down to the radar this is something that

1732
01:22:08,730 --> 01:22:06,220
I think although you know I'm not going

1733
01:22:10,230 --> 01:22:08,740
to bet $100 on it but I think that this

1734
01:22:12,750 --> 01:22:10,240
is the stuff that really has never been

1735
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:12,760
out before and during the investigation

1736
01:22:16,770 --> 01:22:14,170
not only did they do these interviews

1737
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:16,780
with the pilot and the crew of flight

1738
01:22:21,660 --> 01:22:19,600
1628 but what they also did was they

1739
01:22:25,140 --> 01:22:21,670
they gathered and collected all of the

1740
01:22:28,260 --> 01:22:25,150
radar data that was going on as they

1741
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:28,270
were monitoring 1628 it's a very serious

1742
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:29,970
thing when a pilot says that they see

1743
01:22:34,140 --> 01:22:32,080
traffic near their aircraft because

1744
01:22:36,060 --> 01:22:34,150
obviously they are trained to make sure

1745
01:22:37,650 --> 01:22:36,070
that that they're not going to collide

1746
01:22:39,750 --> 01:22:37,660
with anybody and that's what these guys

1747
01:22:42,090 --> 01:22:39,760
do and so they collected all of the

1748
01:22:42,660 --> 01:22:42,100
radar data and and not only did I get

1749
01:22:45,540 --> 01:22:42,670
all of

1750
01:22:48,380 --> 01:22:45,550
the radar data but the FAA then input

1751
01:22:51,959 --> 01:22:48,390
all of that radar data into equivalent

1752
01:22:54,810 --> 01:22:51,969
radar systems to then create screens of

1753
01:22:58,280 --> 01:22:54,820
what they were seeing on the screen as

1754
01:23:01,680 --> 01:22:58,290
flight 1628 was encountering these UFOs

1755
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:01,690
included were color photographs of these

1756
01:23:05,729 --> 01:23:03,520
radar screens you can download them all

1757
01:23:07,530 --> 01:23:05,739
it's actually pretty cool to see now

1758
01:23:09,900 --> 01:23:07,540
here's kind of the weird twist and I'm

1759
01:23:13,260 --> 01:23:09,910
I'm still trying to figure out exactly

1760
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:13,270
what all of this part means but as that

1761
01:23:17,580 --> 01:23:15,489
they were reviewing the radar data and

1762
01:23:19,979 --> 01:23:17,590
they were putting it into equivalent

1763
01:23:22,290 --> 01:23:19,989
systems to again see the screens and

1764
01:23:24,209 --> 01:23:22,300
figure out was there a second third or

1765
01:23:27,450 --> 01:23:24,219
fourth of the were there UFOs in

1766
01:23:29,340 --> 01:23:27,460
addition to flight 1628 they said and

1767
01:23:32,580 --> 01:23:29,350
there's a document that that actually

1768
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:32,590
breaks this down that at the exact time

1769
01:23:37,919 --> 01:23:35,530
that the UFO sighting was taken place

1770
01:23:40,650 --> 01:23:37,929
that the radar data showed that they

1771
01:23:44,100 --> 01:23:40,660
were that they were seeing what they

1772
01:23:47,580 --> 01:23:44,110
called quote uncorrelated primary and

1773
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:47,590
beacon targets or uncorrelated radar

1774
01:23:51,510 --> 01:23:49,600
signals now don't worry I didn't know

1775
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:51,520
what that meant either maybe some pilots

1776
01:23:55,110 --> 01:23:52,690
that are listening would totally

1777
01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:55,120
understand that but apparently what that

1778
01:23:59,310 --> 01:23:57,250
means is that when the radar energy goes

1779
01:24:00,660 --> 01:23:59,320
from a radar system out and it's

1780
01:24:02,820 --> 01:24:00,670
supposed to just bounce back the

1781
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:02,830
signature of the aircraft and there pops

1782
01:24:09,390 --> 01:24:05,850
up on your screen that that sometimes

1783
01:24:12,060 --> 01:24:09,400
the signal will not only come back from

1784
01:24:14,370 --> 01:24:12,070
the radar but also the transponder

1785
01:24:15,810 --> 01:24:14,380
beacon from the aircraft as well and

1786
01:24:18,630 --> 01:24:15,820
then all of a sudden you have multiple

1787
01:24:20,610 --> 01:24:18,640
blips and it the two dots don't match up

1788
01:24:22,979 --> 01:24:20,620
on the radar screen and they don't show

1789
01:24:26,010 --> 01:24:22,989
as being in the exact same location it's

1790
01:24:30,419 --> 01:24:26,020
some apparent phenomena with radar that

1791
01:24:32,850 --> 01:24:30,429
in in this in this incident report in

1792
01:24:35,100 --> 01:24:32,860
these batches of files the FAA tried to

1793
01:24:38,010 --> 01:24:35,110
claim and I'll even quote the guy this

1794
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:38,020
is from Paul Stewart if I probably don't

1795
01:24:41,310 --> 01:24:39,130
have that pronounced right but he was

1796
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:41,320
part of the FAA Public Affairs Office

1797
01:24:47,700 --> 01:24:44,890
and he said this electronic phenomena is

1798
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:47,710
not unusual or I'm sorry the document

1799
01:24:51,950 --> 01:24:49,120
said the electronic phenomena is not

1800
01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:51,960
unusual the quote from stoic says it is

1801
01:24:56,010 --> 01:24:54,880
unfortunate that the uncorrelated target

1802
01:24:58,860 --> 01:24:56,020
phenomena are curved

1803
01:25:01,530 --> 01:24:58,870
just when a pilot was reporting seeing

1804
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:01,540
something outside of his aircraft I'm

1805
01:25:05,490 --> 01:25:03,280
trying to figure out what he means by

1806
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:05,500
that is that are we just chalking this

1807
01:25:09,900 --> 01:25:07,810
up to some kind of really sad

1808
01:25:12,270 --> 01:25:09,910
unfortunate coincidence because now he

1809
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:12,280
can't confirm right that UFOs really

1810
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:14,530
there right or is he is there a

1811
01:25:18,660 --> 01:25:16,930
connection between the UFOs and this

1812
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:18,670
phenomena that happened on the radar

1813
01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:20,850
screens I'm not sure what the answer is

1814
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:23,760
but this is all spelled out in detail

1815
01:25:29,460 --> 01:25:27,250
from the FAA that they were essentially

1816
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:29,470
seeing this phenomena at the exact same

1817
01:25:34,140 --> 01:25:32,050
time and the public affairs officer says

1818
01:25:36,630 --> 01:25:34,150
oh yeah it's really unfortunate happened

1819
01:25:39,060 --> 01:25:36,640
at the exact same time and it's rather

1820
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:39,070
humorous because you wonder what if what

1821
01:25:45,180 --> 01:25:41,440
are you trying to say here I mean were

1822
01:25:47,010 --> 01:25:45,190
there were their contacts now the other

1823
01:25:48,990 --> 01:25:47,020
part that's interesting about the the

1824
01:25:52,230 --> 01:25:49,000
radar documents going through them is

1825
01:25:54,660 --> 01:25:52,240
that you have signed statements from

1826
01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:54,670
some of the ground controllers there on

1827
01:25:58,920 --> 01:25:57,370
what they did and did not see and it

1828
01:26:01,530 --> 01:25:58,930
seems like going back to my comment

1829
01:26:04,590 --> 01:26:01,540
about contradictions it seems like they

1830
01:26:07,230 --> 01:26:04,600
are themselves contradicting what the

1831
01:26:10,860 --> 01:26:07,240
official line is one says well we only

1832
01:26:12,300 --> 01:26:10,870
saw normal aircraft traffic on the radar

1833
01:26:14,550 --> 01:26:12,310
screen so nothing abnormal

1834
01:26:15,990 --> 01:26:14,560
another sign statement says yeah it

1835
01:26:18,780 --> 01:26:16,000
looks like we can confirm that there was

1836
01:26:22,410 --> 01:26:18,790
a second craft and air traffic near

1837
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:22,420
flight 1628 so it's it's it's very it's

1838
01:26:25,380 --> 01:26:23,770
one of those bizarre things like what

1839
01:26:28,530 --> 01:26:25,390
are you guys trying to say was there or

1840
01:26:30,030 --> 01:26:28,540
wasn't there and a wave from the pilot

1841
01:26:31,860 --> 01:26:30,040
testimony we know what the pilot said

1842
01:26:34,620 --> 01:26:31,870
but what are you guys trying to say with

1843
01:26:37,890 --> 01:26:34,630
the radar stuff and I'm not it's not

1844
01:26:40,860 --> 01:26:37,900
clear what they're trying to say but in

1845
01:26:42,870 --> 01:26:40,870
addition then to all of the radar data

1846
01:26:44,850 --> 01:26:42,880
and all of the radar analysis that they

1847
01:26:46,770 --> 01:26:44,860
were doing and all of the contradictions

1848
01:26:48,900 --> 01:26:46,780
that now are starting to come up they

1849
01:26:50,340 --> 01:26:48,910
actually talked about other UFO

1850
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:50,350
sightings this was also another

1851
01:26:54,570 --> 01:26:52,570
interesting find in these documents that

1852
01:26:58,860 --> 01:26:54,580
occurred within about a year or two of

1853
01:27:01,830 --> 01:26:58,870
the same flight 1628 incident about a

1854
01:27:03,540 --> 01:27:01,840
year or two of other UFO encounters

1855
01:27:06,750 --> 01:27:03,550
between military and commercial aircraft

1856
01:27:08,490 --> 01:27:06,760
in that same area they even referenced

1857
01:27:09,660 --> 01:27:08,500
the Air Force being involved in one of

1858
01:27:11,790 --> 01:27:09,670
them

1859
01:27:13,859 --> 01:27:11,800
from the late 1980s now what's wrong

1860
01:27:17,250 --> 01:27:13,869
with that the Air Force didn't care

1861
01:27:20,070 --> 01:27:17,260
about UFOs after 1969 and yet here's an

1862
01:27:21,870 --> 01:27:20,080
FAA document saying yeah the the Air

1863
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:21,880
Force looked into this and they were not

1864
01:27:27,930 --> 01:27:26,650
able to find a confirmation of a UFO

1865
01:27:30,780 --> 01:27:27,940
now even though that's not a great

1866
01:27:32,729 --> 01:27:30,790
conclusion the point I'm making is the

1867
01:27:34,830 --> 01:27:32,739
Air Force was involved that they were

1868
01:27:36,810 --> 01:27:34,840
taking these UFO encounters seriously

1869
01:27:39,359 --> 01:27:36,820
and again that was not 1628 that was a

1870
01:27:41,879 --> 01:27:39,369
different a different u.s. UFO encounter

1871
01:27:44,879 --> 01:27:41,889
that was outlined in these documents so

1872
01:27:47,220 --> 01:27:44,889
there's a lot of nuggets that came out

1873
01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:47,230
in these documents that I wasn't

1874
01:27:52,290 --> 01:27:49,840
expecting I just figured it would be all

1875
01:27:55,169 --> 01:27:52,300
about flight 1628 and we'd get the same

1876
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runaround answer on the contrary a lot

1877
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of these documents are very

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contradictory to themselves meaning the

1879
01:28:03,109 --> 01:28:01,239
FAA was not in agreement with what

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happened although there's no

1881
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quote-unquote conclusion page where they

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said well we think he was hallucinating

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or we think it was a weather balloon or

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whatever silly explanation at least not

1885
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that I found they did research this

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01:28:20,700 --> 01:28:17,920
quite extensively and they did try and

1887
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:20,710
figure out what it was and in my opinion

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01:28:25,220 --> 01:28:22,449
they couldn't and none of these

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01:28:28,830 --> 01:28:25,230
documents show any kind of definitive

1890
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:28,840
explanation but rather it first starts

1891
01:28:33,270 --> 01:28:31,210
talking about this radar phenomena in

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01:28:35,879 --> 01:28:33,280
the exact same moment that they were

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seeing the UFOs whether or not that's a

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coincidence I'll let your listeners

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01:28:42,870 --> 01:28:40,570
decide but there's some very amazing

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01:28:45,780 --> 01:28:42,880
gems in this collection that I think

1897
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probably at this point in my opinion the

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01:28:51,090 --> 01:28:48,820
FA probably wish they did destroy them

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01:28:52,950 --> 01:28:51,100
all yeah III know what I'm gonna be

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doing tonight after the show let's take

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01:28:56,430 --> 01:28:54,489
a break right here I'm gonna go through

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01:28:58,080 --> 01:28:56,440
all of this I went through parts of it

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already this is fade to black

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John Greenwald the black vault talking

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about Japan Airlines 1628 but when we

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come back we're gonna jump straight over

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to a tip what is a tip well if you don't

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know you're gonna find out right after

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this short break stay with us

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Network hi I'm Lisa Vance you're

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listening to Jimmy Church this is a

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[Music]

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01:33:52,930 --> 01:33:50,949
welcome back fade to black I'm your

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01:33:57,669 --> 01:33:52,940
super church tonight our guests John

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01:34:00,219 --> 01:33:57,679
Greenwald of the black vault and before

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01:34:06,489 --> 01:34:00,229
we continue here I want to say this

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01:34:09,310 --> 01:34:06,499
really quick that John and I in

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01:34:12,850 --> 01:34:09,320
announcing the show here tonight with

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01:34:17,169 --> 01:34:12,860
John we did do a public and private

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01:34:20,500 --> 01:34:17,179
invitation for Tom DeLonge and Lewis

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01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:20,510
Elizondo and so just to be fair just let

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everybody know if I failed to mention

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01:34:30,129 --> 01:34:27,469
that they responded back and I did do

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01:34:32,529 --> 01:34:30,139
that that wouldn't be cool Tom did write

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01:34:36,910 --> 01:34:32,539
me back and stated that you know what

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01:34:39,569 --> 01:34:36,920
thank you not at this time you know not

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01:34:42,660 --> 01:34:39,579
at this time but that he does respect

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01:34:45,069 --> 01:34:42,670
fade to black in the UFO community and

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01:34:47,399 --> 01:34:45,079
without getting into the other details

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01:34:51,129 --> 01:34:47,409
of that correspondence that stuff stays

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01:34:54,029 --> 01:34:51,139
private and confidential but they did

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01:34:59,620 --> 01:34:54,039
respond back ok so I just want to

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01:35:01,629 --> 01:34:59,630
publicly state that now ok so John let's

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01:35:05,379 --> 01:35:01,639
let's get into a little bit of the

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01:35:10,419 --> 01:35:05,389
history here first because your research

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01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:10,429
into a tip and what is documented on the

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01:35:17,919 --> 01:35:13,610
black vault is its it's very

2013
01:35:20,020 --> 01:35:17,929
comprehensive it's it's long it's very

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01:35:22,629 --> 01:35:20,030
in-depth ok so you've been doing this

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01:35:25,390 --> 01:35:22,639
for quite a while now and it's a lot of

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01:35:27,580 --> 01:35:25,400
stuff to read through for everybody I

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01:35:30,009 --> 01:35:27,590
invite everybody to go to the black

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01:35:33,399 --> 01:35:30,019
vault and go to that case file the links

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01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:33,409
are up right now not only in Twitter by

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01:35:36,969 --> 01:35:36,650
John but ourselves included here at fade

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01:35:39,669 --> 01:35:36,979
to black

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01:35:42,430 --> 01:35:39,679
yeah ok real quick I'm put a shortcut

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01:35:47,140 --> 01:35:42,440
for anybody to just kind of jump to the

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01:35:49,180 --> 01:35:47,150
page it's the black vault calm /t t-s-a

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01:35:50,770 --> 01:35:49,190
all lowercase and that that will shoot

2026
01:35:52,660 --> 01:35:50,780
you to what we're going to be talking

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01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:52,670
about everything in it like you said

2028
01:35:58,390 --> 01:35:55,489
it's a rather big page but I've tried to

2029
01:36:01,180 --> 01:35:58,400
be as thorough and as fair as possible

2030
01:36:03,340 --> 01:36:01,190
as I dissect all the claim

2031
01:36:06,610 --> 01:36:03,350
about a tip and all of the related

2032
01:36:10,630 --> 01:36:06,620
material now so let's uh let's end cap

2033
01:36:12,220 --> 01:36:10,640
so excuse me I just coughed and didn't

2034
01:36:18,150 --> 01:36:12,230
use my cough button let's say

2035
01:36:22,590 --> 01:36:18,160
encapsulate everything in a very bridged

2036
01:36:30,670 --> 01:36:22,600
version of it so let's start first with

2037
01:36:35,440 --> 01:36:30,680
a tip what is a tip sure so as we know

2038
01:36:37,300 --> 01:36:35,450
in October of 2017 Tom DeLonge and quite

2039
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:37,310
a few other gentlemen appeared on stage

2040
01:36:42,340 --> 01:36:39,770
and announced the to the stars Academy

2041
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:42,350
with that became a revelation a very

2042
01:36:48,340 --> 01:36:46,130
cool revelation by the way of a program

2043
01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:48,350
that was done within the Department of

2044
01:36:52,390 --> 01:36:50,210
Defense and in the United States

2045
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:52,400
military in conjunction with the private

2046
01:36:58,660 --> 01:36:55,850
sector of researching UFOs now in

2047
01:37:01,470 --> 01:36:58,670
October of 2017 a tip was not known yet

2048
01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:01,480
but they did allude to the program

2049
01:37:06,580 --> 01:37:04,730
existing mr. Luisi Elizondo was one of

2050
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:06,590
the gentlemen that stood up he announced

2051
01:37:11,650 --> 01:37:08,690
himself as being the director of this

2052
01:37:13,480 --> 01:37:11,660
project and when a claim like that is

2053
01:37:16,390 --> 01:37:13,490
made I am all over it because that is

2054
01:37:18,910 --> 01:37:16,400
just a very cool story it coincides with

2055
01:37:20,590 --> 01:37:18,920
something that I have said for many many

2056
01:37:23,770 --> 01:37:20,600
years that the government has not lost

2057
01:37:26,470 --> 01:37:23,780
interest in UFOs I briefly said before

2058
01:37:29,350 --> 01:37:26,480
the last break that the Air Force has

2059
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:29,360
contested for many years that 1969 was

2060
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:31,610
the last year they were interested I've

2061
01:37:36,850 --> 01:37:34,130
got documentation to prove otherwise and

2062
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:36,860
so when this claim was made by mr.

2063
01:37:41,820 --> 01:37:39,890
Elizondo I was all over it started

2064
01:37:45,490 --> 01:37:41,830
filing FOIA requests and December of

2065
01:37:48,010 --> 01:37:45,500
2017 then it really broke then the name

2066
01:37:51,190 --> 01:37:48,020
going back to your question now the a

2067
01:37:53,230 --> 01:37:51,200
tip program or and here is going to be

2068
01:37:56,590 --> 01:37:53,240
where I'm going to get hate mail the

2069
01:37:59,230 --> 01:37:56,600
advanced aviation threat identification

2070
01:38:02,110 --> 01:37:59,240
program or a tip was announced to the

2071
01:38:03,670 --> 01:38:02,120
world here's the controversy and it

2072
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:03,680
doesn't sound like it's a big one but

2073
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:05,690
I'll explain why I feel it is kind of a

2074
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:08,570
big one it has been reported as also by

2075
01:38:13,870 --> 01:38:11,090
the name of advanced aerospace threat

2076
01:38:14,860 --> 01:38:13,880
identification program mr. Elizondo

2077
01:38:17,380 --> 01:38:14,870
claims that the

2078
01:38:19,510 --> 01:38:17,390
arrow aerospace is the right way to say

2079
01:38:22,150 --> 01:38:19,520
it the United States government claims

2080
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:22,160
that it's aviation now why is this a big

2081
01:38:28,420 --> 01:38:25,850
deal I liken it this way if dr. J Allen

2082
01:38:31,270 --> 01:38:28,430
Hynek said I was the scientific advisor

2083
01:38:33,100 --> 01:38:31,280
for Project Green Book and we later

2084
01:38:34,870 --> 01:38:33,110
found out that the real name was Project

2085
01:38:38,950 --> 01:38:34,880
Blue Book well it's close enough it's a

2086
01:38:41,230 --> 01:38:38,960
color and so on would we question the

2087
01:38:44,380 --> 01:38:41,240
rest of what he said I would say yes and

2088
01:38:47,290 --> 01:38:44,390
so this is not against anybody's honesty

2089
01:38:49,870 --> 01:38:47,300
or integrity but I'm interested in why

2090
01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:49,880
would the government if they are lying

2091
01:38:55,450 --> 01:38:53,210
or if they are stating something that is

2092
01:38:59,200 --> 01:38:55,460
not necessarily true why is that and I

2093
01:39:01,870 --> 01:38:59,210
can't figure out a reason why and as I

2094
01:39:04,480 --> 01:39:01,880
started filing FOIA requests as I

2095
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:04,490
started researching it more certain red

2096
01:39:11,100 --> 01:39:08,090
flags began to pop up that contradicted

2097
01:39:14,140 --> 01:39:11,110
what the mainstream media reported and

2098
01:39:16,570 --> 01:39:14,150
as a victim of the mainstream media

2099
01:39:18,330 --> 01:39:16,580
myself and I can give you multiple

2100
01:39:20,980 --> 01:39:18,340
examples but I won't worry to death of

2101
01:39:23,410 --> 01:39:20,990
MIS reporting about something that I

2102
01:39:27,460 --> 01:39:23,420
have come out with ufo-related and not

2103
01:39:29,590 --> 01:39:27,470
but misreporting I was concerned that

2104
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:29,600
maybe mr. Elizondo and the to the Stars

2105
01:39:33,550 --> 01:39:31,250
Academy was not being represented

2106
01:39:36,340 --> 01:39:33,560
properly because this is the seriousness

2107
01:39:39,130 --> 01:39:36,350
of it as you know Jimmy I've spent 22

2108
01:39:40,990 --> 01:39:39,140
years trying to get people to pay

2109
01:39:43,630 --> 01:39:41,000
attention to the real material out there

2110
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:43,640
not the stuff that's embellished not the

2111
01:39:48,280 --> 01:39:45,650
silliness that we find on some YouTube

2112
01:39:51,790 --> 01:39:48,290
channels and blogs but the real material

2113
01:39:55,540 --> 01:39:51,800
the real information the real documents

2114
01:39:59,320 --> 01:39:55,550
because the truth in my opinion is more

2115
01:40:01,930 --> 01:39:59,330
fascinating than fiction and that's what

2116
01:40:05,470 --> 01:40:01,940
I've really spent my time with and so as

2117
01:40:06,970 --> 01:40:05,480
the week's turned into months and I

2118
01:40:10,180 --> 01:40:06,980
started getting more and more red flags

2119
01:40:12,820 --> 01:40:10,190
I started asking questions and that has

2120
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:12,830
now led to a very controversial debate

2121
01:40:18,460 --> 01:40:16,730
on whether or not a tip number one the

2122
01:40:19,780 --> 01:40:18,470
name yeah I think it's an issue but

2123
01:40:22,870 --> 01:40:19,790
that's not the only one

2124
01:40:25,060 --> 01:40:22,880
if a tip really was what we are led to

2125
01:40:27,970 --> 01:40:25,070
believe and I believe that there are

2126
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:27,980
enough red flags now to start

2127
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:30,770
making the case that as we are now

2128
01:40:38,410 --> 01:40:33,050
approaching a one-year mark from the

2129
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:38,420
October 27th October 2017 announcement

2130
01:40:44,530 --> 01:40:42,410
that this program was in existence as we

2131
01:40:46,270 --> 01:40:44,540
approach that year mark if you can

2132
01:40:48,460 --> 01:40:46,280
believe it it's been almost a year I

2133
01:40:51,400 --> 01:40:48,470
think certain questions at this point

2134
01:40:55,450 --> 01:40:51,410
should be answered and and addressed and

2135
01:40:58,210 --> 01:40:55,460
to my surprise the Pentagon has spent

2136
01:41:00,550 --> 01:40:58,220
some time with me both on the telephone

2137
01:41:04,410 --> 01:41:00,560
and in writing from the official

2138
01:41:06,820 --> 01:41:04,420
spokesperson from the Pentagon itself

2139
01:41:09,340 --> 01:41:06,830
when they make claims in writing that's

2140
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:09,350
important and we can get into that but

2141
01:41:13,780 --> 01:41:10,970
they they are the only ones that are

2142
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:13,790
addressing some of these issues can't

2143
01:41:16,930 --> 01:41:15,410
believe I'm saying that but the United

2144
01:41:19,660 --> 01:41:16,940
States government is actually being more

2145
01:41:23,380 --> 01:41:19,670
open than an organization that says that

2146
01:41:25,150 --> 01:41:23,390
they want to stop secrecy and so that I

2147
01:41:27,790 --> 01:41:25,160
don't want it to come off as me being

2148
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:27,800
combative but rather I want to be

2149
01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:30,410
accurate okay let me ask you some very

2150
01:41:38,620 --> 01:41:34,610
very specific questions and in all of

2151
01:41:43,590 --> 01:41:38,630
your Freedom of Information Act requests

2152
01:41:46,660 --> 01:41:43,600
concerning a tip or any any any

2153
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:46,670
personalities with a tip any request

2154
01:41:53,700 --> 01:41:50,330
that you have done so far how many

2155
01:41:57,310 --> 01:41:53,710
documents have been released to you

2156
01:42:02,470 --> 01:41:57,320
officially under FOIA as of last week

2157
01:42:05,020 --> 01:42:02,480
one just one okay those are documents

2158
01:42:07,210 --> 01:42:05,030
now there have been statements but okay

2159
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:07,220
but those are those are not under FOIA I

2160
01:42:11,380 --> 01:42:09,290
mean if I'm answering your your your

2161
01:42:14,110 --> 01:42:11,390
question correctly under the Freedom of

2162
01:42:17,590 --> 01:42:14,120
Information Act as far as I am aware

2163
01:42:20,740 --> 01:42:17,600
there is only one single real document

2164
01:42:23,440 --> 01:42:20,750
that was released under the FOIA and

2165
01:42:24,610 --> 01:42:23,450
that came just days ago okay and we're

2166
01:42:28,710 --> 01:42:24,620
gonna get we're gonna get to that

2167
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:28,720
document in a second but concerning your

2168
01:42:36,610 --> 01:42:32,770
searches and your request on how you

2169
01:42:39,370 --> 01:42:36,620
formulated those what in a general sense

2170
01:42:41,020 --> 01:42:39,380
because the the search terms in those

2171
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:41,030
requests can be broad

2172
01:42:50,950 --> 01:42:45,010
also very extensive but what were you

2173
01:42:54,210 --> 01:42:50,960
requesting for aerospace aviation Luis

2174
01:42:57,970 --> 01:42:54,220
Elizondo for instance were you were you

2175
01:42:58,860 --> 01:42:57,980
how broad what were your search requests

2176
01:43:02,980 --> 01:42:58,870
in those terms

2177
01:43:05,350 --> 01:43:02,990
sure so after October the word or the

2178
01:43:08,590 --> 01:43:05,360
excuse me the acronym a tip or the

2179
01:43:12,820 --> 01:43:08,600
whatever it stands for was not known yet

2180
01:43:17,140 --> 01:43:12,830
so my original requests that I I sent in

2181
01:43:20,260 --> 01:43:17,150
an October gave extensive details and

2182
01:43:22,540 --> 01:43:20,270
also quoting from the transcript of the

2183
01:43:25,540 --> 01:43:22,550
press conference that to the Stars

2184
01:43:27,010 --> 01:43:25,550
Academy did with mr. elizondo's name

2185
01:43:29,470 --> 01:43:27,020
because if he's laying claim to being

2186
01:43:31,060 --> 01:43:29,480
the director of the program when you

2187
01:43:33,250 --> 01:43:31,070
submit a FOIA request that's kind of

2188
01:43:36,100 --> 01:43:33,260
more than enough information for them to

2189
01:43:38,980 --> 01:43:36,110
deduce what you're talking about so even

2190
01:43:42,310 --> 01:43:38,990
though you don't know it's Project X you

2191
01:43:44,620 --> 01:43:42,320
do have the again well who is said to be

2192
01:43:46,750 --> 01:43:44,630
the director of the program what the

2193
01:43:49,480 --> 01:43:46,760
objectives were and there was enough

2194
01:43:52,510 --> 01:43:49,490
meat in what he said for any FOIA

2195
01:43:55,300 --> 01:43:52,520
officer to direct my request in the

2196
01:43:57,460 --> 01:43:55,310
right way that original request received

2197
01:44:01,000 --> 01:43:57,470
a what's called a no records response

2198
01:44:03,310 --> 01:44:01,010
the office of the Secretary of Defense

2199
01:44:06,670 --> 01:44:03,320
which is the office that is kind of the

2200
01:44:08,980 --> 01:44:06,680
main office that handles all for your

2201
01:44:10,300 --> 01:44:08,990
requests to the DoD it gets a little bit

2202
01:44:12,010 --> 01:44:10,310
more complicated but they're kind of

2203
01:44:14,230 --> 01:44:12,020
like the the main office and then what

2204
01:44:16,210 --> 01:44:14,240
happens is that they funnel out or

2205
01:44:19,090 --> 01:44:16,220
transfer out those FOIA requests to the

2206
01:44:22,870 --> 01:44:19,100
appropriate DoD component right so the

2207
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:22,880
DIA is a component of the DoD and so on

2208
01:44:27,250 --> 01:44:25,610
and so forth however after filing that

2209
01:44:29,380 --> 01:44:27,260
request they gave me a no records

2210
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:29,390
response they said nothing existed based

2211
01:44:35,830 --> 01:44:32,570
on my request

2212
01:44:39,370 --> 01:44:35,840
now when December came about that was

2213
01:44:42,670 --> 01:44:39,380
about November 27th when I received that

2214
01:44:44,530 --> 01:44:42,680
no records response when December broke

2215
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:44,540
in the New York Times of Politico and

2216
01:44:49,030 --> 01:44:46,730
then the avalanche of publicity that

2217
01:44:51,210 --> 01:44:49,040
they that they garnered for this and and

2218
01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:51,220
props to them because it went global

2219
01:44:56,910 --> 01:44:54,130
then it was known on what the name was

2220
01:45:00,480 --> 01:44:56,920
now this has been where that that kind

2221
01:45:03,300 --> 01:45:00,490
of issue came with the name because

2222
01:45:05,730 --> 01:45:03,310
originally without filing a FOIA I work

2223
01:45:07,860 --> 01:45:05,740
in television as you pointed out and I

2224
01:45:11,130 --> 01:45:07,870
was working on developing a television

2225
01:45:13,500 --> 01:45:11,140
series at the time and I thought hey

2226
01:45:16,470 --> 01:45:13,510
mister Elizondo would be a perfect

2227
01:45:18,750 --> 01:45:16,480
person if he would agree to be a part of

2228
01:45:20,280 --> 01:45:18,760
this so let me see because at this point

2229
01:45:22,460 --> 01:45:20,290
I didn't know how controversial it would

2230
01:45:25,680 --> 01:45:22,470
get I mean this was like a week or two

2231
01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:25,690
of the announcement of it so I picked up

2232
01:45:31,050 --> 01:45:27,610
the phone and called a contact over at

2233
01:45:32,850 --> 01:45:31,060
the Pentagon within their PR office and

2234
01:45:34,740 --> 01:45:32,860
I asked them about the advanced

2235
01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:34,750
aerospace threat identification program

2236
01:45:39,630 --> 01:45:37,810
and they corrected me on the telephone

2237
01:45:41,850 --> 01:45:39,640
and they said no it's advanced aviation

2238
01:45:44,910 --> 01:45:41,860
I saw I'm sorry I said actually the

2239
01:45:46,380 --> 01:45:44,920
media is saying aerospace a so is that

2240
01:45:49,050 --> 01:45:46,390
wrong and they said yes that that is

2241
01:45:53,190 --> 01:45:49,060
wrong after that to confirm it I was

2242
01:45:55,710 --> 01:45:53,200
then passed to a major her rank as major

2243
01:45:58,200 --> 01:45:55,720
her name is Audra Harris she is one of

2244
01:46:00,360 --> 01:45:58,210
the official spokespeople for the

2245
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:00,370
Pentagon I bring up her name because she

2246
01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:04,330
is again the one that gave me that

2247
01:46:08,850 --> 01:46:07,330
information confirmed it and then did it

2248
01:46:10,380 --> 01:46:08,860
in writing because I asked her I said

2249
01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:10,390
would you mind if you shot me an email

2250
01:46:15,150 --> 01:46:12,730
so I at least have this on an official

2251
01:46:17,070 --> 01:46:15,160
level that you're stating this because I

2252
01:46:18,450 --> 01:46:17,080
think one of the first interviews that I

2253
01:46:20,190 --> 01:46:18,460
even did with you you said okay well

2254
01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:20,200
this was just a phone call and I said

2255
01:46:23,550 --> 01:46:22,210
well yeah but it happened and so I got

2256
01:46:25,830 --> 01:46:23,560
it in writing just to make sure there

2257
01:46:28,050 --> 01:46:25,840
was no misunderstandings right with what

2258
01:46:31,290 --> 01:46:28,060
I was when I was claiming to the public

2259
01:46:33,480 --> 01:46:31,300
and she said yeah absolutely so for me

2260
01:46:36,510 --> 01:46:33,490
and this is this is a very common

2261
01:46:40,980 --> 01:46:36,520
misconception with those that argue with

2262
01:46:42,420 --> 01:46:40,990
me over this the list is dwindling on

2263
01:46:44,370 --> 01:46:42,430
how many people are attacking me but I

2264
01:46:47,070 --> 01:46:44,380
still get attacked for it the

2265
01:46:50,310 --> 01:46:47,080
spokesperson of an agency is considered

2266
01:46:52,770 --> 01:46:50,320
the the extension of the voice of that

2267
01:46:54,510 --> 01:46:52,780
agency or if they are the spokesperson

2268
01:46:56,430 --> 01:46:54,520
for a particular person would say the

2269
01:46:58,650 --> 01:46:56,440
president they are considered the

2270
01:47:01,020 --> 01:46:58,660
extension of the voice of the president

2271
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:01,030
so when Sarah Huckabee Sanders said

2272
01:47:06,630 --> 01:47:04,210
something claimed something it is

2273
01:47:07,890 --> 01:47:06,640
considered Donald Trump saying that that

2274
01:47:10,229 --> 01:47:07,900
is how spokespeople

2275
01:47:13,290 --> 01:47:10,239
mm-hmm the same is true on an agency

2276
01:47:16,350 --> 01:47:13,300
level so for them to put in writing that

2277
01:47:18,419 --> 01:47:16,360
this is the name that isn't a clerical

2278
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:18,429
error which some have tried to claim oh

2279
01:47:22,290 --> 01:47:20,770
well she just wasn't in the know well

2280
01:47:24,030 --> 01:47:22,300
I'm sorry she is the official

2281
01:47:26,220 --> 01:47:24,040
spokesperson for the Pentagon with the

2282
01:47:30,479 --> 01:47:26,230
rank of Major and deals with these

2283
01:47:32,580 --> 01:47:30,489
topics on a daily basis person and she

2284
01:47:34,649 --> 01:47:32,590
corrected you and they corrected me yeah

2285
01:47:36,149 --> 01:47:34,659
and I and again I didn't know it was

2286
01:47:39,300 --> 01:47:36,159
going to be controversial I just said

2287
01:47:41,430 --> 01:47:39,310
aerospace and so as as the time

2288
01:47:43,200 --> 01:47:41,440
progressed and I posed that question a

2289
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:43,210
lot of people said yeah well what is

2290
01:47:46,979 --> 01:47:44,890
with that discrepancy others attacked

2291
01:47:50,520 --> 01:47:46,989
but some said hey wait a minute well

2292
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:50,530
what is with that and I believe that mr.

2293
01:47:55,410 --> 01:47:53,290
Elizondo has said in one of his public

2294
01:47:57,419 --> 01:47:55,420
speeches or an interview I'm not sure

2295
01:48:00,689 --> 01:47:57,429
which one but I do know that he has said

2296
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:00,699
that that is in an error that that that

2297
01:48:06,660 --> 01:48:03,610
it definitely is aerospace and not

2298
01:48:08,939 --> 01:48:06,670
aviation now why is this important well

2299
01:48:11,850 --> 01:48:08,949
to be honest with you it does go to

2300
01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:11,860
credibility of the story that if he is

2301
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:13,690
the director of the program and I'm not

2302
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:15,610
accusing him of anything let me let me

2303
01:48:20,130 --> 01:48:18,010
say that real quick if he is saying that

2304
01:48:23,310 --> 01:48:20,140
it is aerospace and the Pentagon is

2305
01:48:25,709 --> 01:48:23,320
putting in writing no it isn't there's

2306
01:48:27,390 --> 01:48:25,719
no rhyme or reason that I have found on

2307
01:48:31,110 --> 01:48:27,400
why the Pentagon would change that one

2308
01:48:32,430 --> 01:48:31,120
name I I can't figure it out I can

2309
01:48:34,439 --> 01:48:32,440
figure it out why it might be

2310
01:48:37,020 --> 01:48:34,449
embellished on the other side I hate to

2311
01:48:39,570 --> 01:48:37,030
say it but I do have a reason why they

2312
01:48:42,180 --> 01:48:39,580
might embellish it make it seem that

2313
01:48:43,770 --> 01:48:42,190
this program dealt with not only things

2314
01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:43,780
that are flying at twenty thirty

2315
01:48:48,090 --> 01:48:46,210
thousand feet but also possibly things

2316
01:48:50,850 --> 01:48:48,100
that are flying in you know near space

2317
01:48:53,669 --> 01:48:50,860
or space itself I can figure that one

2318
01:48:55,979 --> 01:48:53,679
out why the military would be so adamant

2319
01:48:59,310 --> 01:48:55,989
about saying no it is aviation I can't

2320
01:49:01,649 --> 01:48:59,320
figure out and here's why the FOIA will

2321
01:49:05,100 --> 01:49:01,659
produce documents and last week showed

2322
01:49:07,050 --> 01:49:05,110
me it has now started but the FOIA will

2323
01:49:10,169 --> 01:49:07,060
produce documents that involve this

2324
01:49:13,200 --> 01:49:10,179
program they know that a major as a

2325
01:49:15,780 --> 01:49:13,210
spokesperson for the Pentagon is is very

2326
01:49:17,160 --> 01:49:15,790
very smart so she is not gonna think

2327
01:49:18,629 --> 01:49:17,170
that she's going to put this in writing

2328
01:49:20,910 --> 01:49:18,639
take a guess

2329
01:49:21,670 --> 01:49:20,920
sluff everyone offer you know a year or

2330
01:49:24,580 --> 01:49:21,680
two

2331
01:49:26,620 --> 01:49:24,590
and then just claim ignorance when when

2332
01:49:29,170 --> 01:49:26,630
the real name comes out I don't believe

2333
01:49:32,020 --> 01:49:29,180
that if that's how it unfolds I stand

2334
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:32,030
corrected but I just don't see it so for

2335
01:49:35,620 --> 01:49:34,010
me it goes to the credibility of what

2336
01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:35,630
are we really talking about with this

2337
01:49:40,660 --> 01:49:38,330
program the director says one word the

2338
01:49:43,090 --> 01:49:40,670
Pentagon puts in writing another when

2339
01:49:46,120 --> 01:49:43,100
I've tried to clarify with to the stars

2340
01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:46,130
and try and reach mr. Elizondo must be

2341
01:49:50,860 --> 01:49:47,930
something that I've said because they

2342
01:49:52,990 --> 01:49:50,870
don't want to talk to me and it really

2343
01:49:55,420 --> 01:49:53,000
if they're listening right now and this

2344
01:49:57,190 --> 01:49:55,430
goes to the people that even today on

2345
01:49:59,530 --> 01:49:57,200
Twitter the last 48 hours have been

2346
01:50:01,930 --> 01:49:59,540
fairly explosive with a select few

2347
01:50:03,700 --> 01:50:01,940
people but if if to the stars is

2348
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:03,710
listening right now what I would say and

2349
01:50:10,480 --> 01:50:05,930
I hope that they know is I am genuinely

2350
01:50:11,020 --> 01:50:10,490
interested in why certain things are the

2351
01:50:12,910 --> 01:50:11,030
way they are

2352
01:50:14,890 --> 01:50:12,920
that doesn't mean I'm trying to derail

2353
01:50:17,110 --> 01:50:14,900
their objective that doesn't mean that

2354
01:50:19,360 --> 01:50:17,120
I'm trying to you know make them look

2355
01:50:21,970 --> 01:50:19,370
bad that doesn't mean I'm questioning

2356
01:50:23,320 --> 01:50:21,980
anybody's honor and integrity I mean we

2357
01:50:25,870 --> 01:50:23,330
just spent the first hour of your show

2358
01:50:27,310 --> 01:50:25,880
talking about whether or not it was a

2359
01:50:28,750 --> 01:50:27,320
lie I'm not really sure but the

2360
01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:28,760
government telling me something that

2361
01:50:34,360 --> 01:50:31,850
wasn't true so I can buy that that's

2362
01:50:36,700 --> 01:50:34,370
okay mmm but the fact that they don't

2363
01:50:39,340 --> 01:50:36,710
want to address not only the name issue

2364
01:50:42,130 --> 01:50:39,350
and that I would say is maybe 5% of my

2365
01:50:43,660 --> 01:50:42,140
overall red flag numbers but the fact

2366
01:50:45,670 --> 01:50:43,670
that they don't want to address things

2367
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:45,680
like this not just to me I'm talking

2368
01:50:51,460 --> 01:50:48,890
about to anybody who's asking that to me

2369
01:50:53,740 --> 01:50:51,470
is a red flag in itself the fact that

2370
01:50:57,190 --> 01:50:53,750
the Pentagon will take my call and put

2371
01:50:59,080 --> 01:50:57,200
in writing this that is to me an issue

2372
01:51:01,960 --> 01:50:59,090
and something that that needs to be

2373
01:51:04,930 --> 01:51:01,970
dealt with because that goes to the core

2374
01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:04,940
of what this story is all about

2375
01:51:11,680 --> 01:51:08,690
now we we're gonna head towards a break

2376
01:51:15,370 --> 01:51:11,690
we've got about eight minutes here to

2377
01:51:17,530 --> 01:51:15,380
set up this single document that you

2378
01:51:21,400 --> 01:51:17,540
received within the last week that we

2379
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:21,410
are going to discuss but we need to talk

2380
01:51:28,480 --> 01:51:24,770
about where this document came from and

2381
01:51:32,950 --> 01:51:28,490
this needs to be seriously discussed the

2382
01:51:36,180 --> 01:51:32,960
community needs clarity and and we need

2383
01:51:39,100 --> 01:51:36,190
to discuss what intellipedia is and

2384
01:51:40,660 --> 01:51:39,110
intellipedia freaks me out and when you

2385
01:51:42,310 --> 01:51:40,670
and I were talking about this last week

2386
01:51:47,380 --> 01:51:42,320
what did I tell you I said dude I don't

2387
01:51:49,330 --> 01:51:47,390
even like to type it right because well

2388
01:51:52,390 --> 01:51:49,340
okay let's just go right there

2389
01:51:55,390 --> 01:51:52,400
what is intellipedia yeah so

2390
01:51:58,540 --> 01:51:55,400
intellipedia is actually three systems

2391
01:52:02,560 --> 01:51:58,550
contrary to popular belief it is not one

2392
01:52:04,540 --> 01:52:02,570
it is three systems they have a for

2393
01:52:07,420 --> 01:52:04,550
official use only level they have a

2394
01:52:10,330 --> 01:52:07,430
secret level and they have a top secret

2395
01:52:11,800 --> 01:52:10,340
level I'm not trying to Pat myself on

2396
01:52:15,670 --> 01:52:11,810
the back but as far as I know I'm

2397
01:52:19,060 --> 01:52:15,680
probably one of the one of the only

2398
01:52:21,850 --> 01:52:19,070
people that have really filed requests

2399
01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:21,860
for multiple entries I've got the

2400
01:52:26,740 --> 01:52:24,890
handbook Declassified I've got multiple

2401
01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:26,750
entries I think I kind of hold the

2402
01:52:32,200 --> 01:52:29,570
record for the amount of intellipedia

2403
01:52:36,250 --> 01:52:32,210
requests that have gone out I find it a

2404
01:52:38,070 --> 01:52:36,260
very very valuable resource that even

2405
01:52:41,620 --> 01:52:38,080
though sometimes it's hard to access

2406
01:52:44,070 --> 01:52:41,630
through FOIA the results are fascinating

2407
01:52:48,490 --> 01:52:44,080
let's stop right there again for

2408
01:52:50,620 --> 01:52:48,500
clarification who uses intellipedia by

2409
01:52:53,050 --> 01:52:50,630
the way I'm going to announce this to

2410
01:52:55,510 --> 01:52:53,060
the audience when John and I first we

2411
01:52:57,520 --> 01:52:55,520
were texting back and forth and and he

2412
01:53:00,340 --> 01:52:57,530
hits me and as soon as I read Intelli

2413
01:53:04,240 --> 01:53:00,350
pedia I immediately within seconds said

2414
01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:04,250
John which one right and remember this

2415
01:53:08,500 --> 01:53:06,530
yeah and then my response back was you

2416
01:53:11,140 --> 01:53:08,510
know what seriously this freaks me out I

2417
01:53:14,290 --> 01:53:11,150
don't even I don't even like texting

2418
01:53:17,290 --> 01:53:14,300
this or or typing this because of who

2419
01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:17,300
uses this it actually freaks me out so

2420
01:53:24,100 --> 01:53:19,810
for the record who uses intellipedia

2421
01:53:26,620 --> 01:53:24,110
anyone of the theory it is it is used by

2422
01:53:29,830 --> 01:53:26,630
the intelligence community and you know

2423
01:53:31,810 --> 01:53:29,840
CIA and NSA and and and I believe it

2424
01:53:33,940 --> 01:53:31,820
extends to some government contractors

2425
01:53:38,140 --> 01:53:33,950
with the appropriate clearances it is

2426
01:53:40,410 --> 01:53:38,150
used as a resource to reference again

2427
01:53:43,260 --> 01:53:40,420
almost anything you can find things on

2428
01:53:46,180 --> 01:53:43,270
historical projects historical people

2429
01:53:48,160 --> 01:53:46,190
biographies project names

2430
01:53:49,839 --> 01:53:48,170
I've found things in there that I never

2431
01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:49,849
thought would be in there and yet there

2432
01:53:55,270 --> 01:53:52,250
they are one of my biggest triumphs

2433
01:53:57,640 --> 01:53:55,280
under the FOIA with this system is

2434
01:54:02,290 --> 01:53:57,650
getting the number of statistics of how

2435
01:54:04,540 --> 01:54:02,300
many pages and how many articles there

2436
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:04,550
are and it totals millions throughout

2437
01:54:09,459 --> 01:54:07,010
all three systems it is very much

2438
01:54:12,129 --> 01:54:09,469
identical to what we would use in the

2439
01:54:13,060 --> 01:54:12,139
general public as Wikipedia now of

2440
01:54:14,680 --> 01:54:13,070
course we all have problems with

2441
01:54:16,810 --> 01:54:14,690
Wikipedia in one way or another but

2442
01:54:19,839 --> 01:54:16,820
that's the system that's what Intelli

2443
01:54:22,300 --> 01:54:19,849
pedia is but on a classified level and

2444
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:22,310
internal use for the intelligence

2445
01:54:28,060 --> 01:54:25,010
community as a whole and again it is

2446
01:54:30,609 --> 01:54:28,070
cross-agency now it is run believed by

2447
01:54:33,160 --> 01:54:30,619
the NSA so whenever I do a FOIA request

2448
01:54:36,250 --> 01:54:33,170
when it comes to in telepon I've got to

2449
01:54:39,580 --> 01:54:36,260
start with the NSA if it's let's say

2450
01:54:43,060 --> 01:54:39,590
it's an Intel opinio entry on the on a

2451
01:54:46,120 --> 01:54:43,070
CIA program for example MKULTRA which I

2452
01:54:48,700 --> 01:54:46,130
did get Declassified I filed to the NSA

2453
01:54:50,950 --> 01:54:48,710
but then they forward out my request to

2454
01:54:52,390 --> 01:54:50,960
the CIA this is how silly it is if I

2455
01:54:54,970 --> 01:54:52,400
start with the CIA it won't work right

2456
01:54:56,589 --> 01:54:54,980
in my experience you have to start with

2457
01:54:58,959 --> 01:54:56,599
the NSA and then they transfer it out

2458
01:55:01,810 --> 01:54:58,969
sometimes the NSA will declassify at

2459
01:55:02,950 --> 01:55:01,820
other times it's called OPR and I know

2460
01:55:05,500 --> 01:55:02,960
that this will come up in the next

2461
01:55:08,979 --> 01:55:05,510
segment but OPR is the office of primary

2462
01:55:10,780 --> 01:55:08,989
responsibility and OPR the the agency

2463
01:55:13,209 --> 01:55:10,790
that's the OPR is the one that makes the

2464
01:55:15,580 --> 01:55:13,219
decision on what information they're

2465
01:55:17,859 --> 01:55:15,590
going to declassify and so that's that's

2466
01:55:19,419 --> 01:55:17,869
how Intel opee do in a nutshell works

2467
01:55:21,490 --> 01:55:19,429
and under FOIA

2468
01:55:24,520 --> 01:55:21,500
you can then request information from

2469
01:55:26,680 --> 01:55:24,530
all three systems and then you know

2470
01:55:29,140 --> 01:55:26,690
pending the FOIA exemptions hopefully

2471
01:55:31,569 --> 01:55:29,150
get it be classified and you are

2472
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:31,579
released the information and it really

2473
01:55:36,040 --> 01:55:33,290
does serve is not only a valuable

2474
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:36,050
resource for me as a researcher and an

2475
01:55:41,379 --> 01:55:39,530
investigator but just like Wikipedia and

2476
01:55:44,620 --> 01:55:41,389
this for me is the key just like

2477
01:55:48,010 --> 01:55:44,630
Wikipedia intellipedia has a references

2478
01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:48,020
section in most articles now as we know

2479
01:55:53,649 --> 01:55:51,050
references are the the kind of call

2480
01:55:57,160 --> 01:55:53,659
backs to other reports or other records

2481
01:55:58,780 --> 01:55:57,170
to kind of cite the source and that's

2482
01:55:59,939 --> 01:55:58,790
why I use Intel opee do because

2483
01:56:02,790 --> 01:55:59,949
sometimes the ountry is

2484
01:56:05,279 --> 01:56:02,800
very interesting but the references then

2485
01:56:07,589 --> 01:56:05,289
start calling back to classified reports

2486
01:56:08,939 --> 01:56:07,599
that they're pulling information from to

2487
01:56:11,609 --> 01:56:08,949
make that article does that make sense

2488
01:56:13,469 --> 01:56:11,619
yes so then once I get that page

2489
01:56:16,620 --> 01:56:13,479
Declassified I go immediately to the

2490
01:56:19,830 --> 01:56:16,630
references section and I find report XYZ

2491
01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:19,840
created in 1975 and I go boom that

2492
01:56:24,509 --> 01:56:21,610
hasn't been out before file a request

2493
01:56:27,060 --> 01:56:24,519
and you know I just pursue that lead and

2494
01:56:29,219 --> 01:56:27,070
I go down the list and so Intel Appiah

2495
01:56:32,959 --> 01:56:29,229
is a very valuable resource for just

2496
01:56:36,359 --> 01:56:32,969
that okay does it make you nervous

2497
01:56:38,790 --> 01:56:36,369
poking around on Intel opee do ya do you

2498
01:56:42,589 --> 01:56:38,800
do you feel that those flags I mean

2499
01:56:46,469 --> 01:56:42,599
certainly somebody knows you're doing it

2500
01:56:48,569 --> 01:56:46,479
well again this is just to clarify you

2501
01:56:50,520 --> 01:56:48,579
can't access anything with intellipedia

2502
01:56:52,949 --> 01:56:50,530
what you have to do is you have to file

2503
01:56:54,959 --> 01:56:52,959
a FOIA and then you get a paper printout

2504
01:56:57,419 --> 01:56:54,969
of the entry after it's been

2505
01:57:00,120 --> 01:56:57,429
Declassified and some some some entries

2506
01:57:01,830 --> 01:57:00,130
have taken me years to get so unlike

2507
01:57:03,270 --> 01:57:01,840
like the National Archives just to

2508
01:57:05,250 --> 01:57:03,280
compare that to the beginning part of

2509
01:57:07,529 --> 01:57:05,260
our conversation right you can't you

2510
01:57:10,229 --> 01:57:07,539
can't sift through even the unclassified

2511
01:57:12,419 --> 01:57:10,239
or for official use only level the

2512
01:57:14,580 --> 01:57:12,429
bottom level you can't touch it you came

2513
01:57:16,949 --> 01:57:14,590
and touch the cover page of being a

2514
01:57:18,600 --> 01:57:16,959
member of the general public this is 100

2515
01:57:21,779 --> 01:57:18,610
percent strictly for the intelligence

2516
01:57:24,750 --> 01:57:21,789
community and those with access within

2517
01:57:27,239 --> 01:57:24,760
government contractors but even then you

2518
01:57:29,549 --> 01:57:27,249
have to be on specific computers that

2519
01:57:32,189 --> 01:57:29,559
are able to access it and then you can

2520
01:57:34,739 --> 01:57:32,199
log in and search around I cannot do

2521
01:57:37,439 --> 01:57:34,749
that this is all manual and every time I

2522
01:57:39,989 --> 01:57:37,449
get an entry I then look at the category

2523
01:57:42,449 --> 01:57:39,999
that that entry came from I file a FOIA

2524
01:57:44,910 --> 01:57:42,459
request for that specific category and

2525
01:57:47,609 --> 01:57:44,920
you get an index of all pages within it

2526
01:57:49,589 --> 01:57:47,619
and I don't you just keep going so it's

2527
01:57:52,049 --> 01:57:49,599
a very manual process it's pretty

2528
01:57:53,790 --> 01:57:52,059
tedious but I do have a big archive

2529
01:57:55,649 --> 01:57:53,800
where I've collected literally hundreds

2530
01:57:59,219 --> 01:57:55,659
and hundreds of pages that have been

2531
01:58:03,149 --> 01:57:59,229
Declassified on all sorts of stuff when

2532
01:58:04,949 --> 01:58:03,159
it comes to secrets and programs and so

2533
01:58:07,500 --> 01:58:04,959
on and so forth okay the last thing I'll

2534
01:58:07,830 --> 01:58:07,510
say cuz I know you're on a break yes we

2535
01:58:10,799 --> 01:58:07,840
are

2536
01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:10,809
oh god the last thing else yeah no the

2537
01:58:13,770 --> 01:58:12,130
last thing I'll say really quickly is

2538
01:58:15,660 --> 01:58:13,780
that intellipedia holds

2539
01:58:19,140 --> 01:58:15,670
information on pretty much everything

2540
01:58:21,419 --> 01:58:19,150
you go after so any program name name

2541
01:58:22,109 --> 01:58:21,429
piece of technology aircraft so on and

2542
01:58:23,939 --> 01:58:22,119
so forth

2543
01:58:27,209 --> 01:58:23,949
generally it's referenced in the

2544
01:58:29,010 --> 01:58:27,219
millions of pages that I discovered were

2545
01:58:31,169 --> 01:58:29,020
in there and that actually took me an

2546
01:58:33,000 --> 01:58:31,179
appeal to get because they denied me

2547
01:58:35,700 --> 01:58:33,010
access and then that then I was able to

2548
01:58:37,500 --> 01:58:35,710
uncover that Intelli pedia had millions

2549
01:58:40,379 --> 01:58:37,510
and millions of pages in it that had

2550
01:58:42,899 --> 01:58:40,389
never been released before okay and what

2551
01:58:45,299 --> 01:58:42,909
this document is how he got it when he

2552
01:58:47,819 --> 01:58:45,309
got it and what it says all of that our

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01:58:49,020 --> 01:58:47,829
next this is fade to black or guess

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tonight the one of the only john

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greenwald the black fault this is fade

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to black i'm yours jimmy church we'll

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black ball calm don't ask me where he

2670
02:04:17,560 --> 02:04:15,110
came up with that but what do you mean

2671
02:04:20,709 --> 02:04:17,570
black ball calm he couldn't do a better

2672
02:04:22,179 --> 02:04:20,719
Twitter I mean yeah I know you called me

2673
02:04:24,069 --> 02:04:22,189
out on it last time to and I don't

2674
02:04:25,600 --> 02:04:24,079
disagree it's one of those things where

2675
02:04:27,699 --> 02:04:25,610
you make an email address when you're

2676
02:04:29,409 --> 02:04:27,709
like 15 years old and then you're like

2677
02:04:31,149 --> 02:04:29,419
28 you have to give that to a new boss

2678
02:04:33,729 --> 02:04:31,159
because you haven't changed it right

2679
02:04:36,609 --> 02:04:33,739
assembly it's a similar thing it was

2680
02:04:37,810 --> 02:04:36,619
originally I was black vault comm and

2681
02:04:39,489 --> 02:04:37,820
then it kind of morphed at the black

2682
02:04:41,589 --> 02:04:39,499
vault combo you know you can't have a

2683
02:04:43,179 --> 02:04:41,599
period so I just did black ball comm I

2684
02:04:46,810 --> 02:04:43,189
wasn't really thinking that it would get

2685
02:04:47,469 --> 02:04:46,820
popular and I regret it now but hey what

2686
02:04:49,060 --> 02:04:47,479
can you do

2687
02:04:50,949 --> 02:04:49,070
yeah I wish you could change a Twitter

2688
02:04:52,179 --> 02:04:50,959
handle but last time I checked you

2689
02:04:55,120 --> 02:04:52,189
couldn't do this yeah you can't do it

2690
02:04:57,459 --> 02:04:55,130
and you know Richard Dolan is rich Dolan

2691
02:04:59,199 --> 02:04:57,469
you know and he did it back he didn't

2692
02:05:02,469 --> 02:04:59,209
even think about it now he's stuck you

2693
02:05:07,089 --> 02:05:02,479
know he's stuck with West Dolan on

2694
02:05:09,669 --> 02:05:07,099
Twitter okay so now this this gets into

2695
02:05:13,899 --> 02:05:09,679
golden territory here and so we're going

2696
02:05:16,509 --> 02:05:13,909
to actually get to the part where you

2697
02:05:19,239 --> 02:05:16,519
you found the document but you make one

2698
02:05:22,330 --> 02:05:19,249
statement in your in your posterior on

2699
02:05:27,310 --> 02:05:22,340
the black vault and you say on the 8th

2700
02:05:29,080 --> 02:05:27,320
of January 2018 the NSA told me that

2701
02:05:31,330 --> 02:05:29,090
there are no records responsive to my

2702
02:05:34,929 --> 02:05:31,340
requests now I don't care about the no

2703
02:05:38,649 --> 02:05:34,939
records part it's the NSA told me part

2704
02:05:41,229 --> 02:05:38,659
that really freaks me out but I mean

2705
02:05:44,319 --> 02:05:41,239
what do you mean by that well just that

2706
02:05:46,149 --> 02:05:44,329
I mean I had requested because going

2707
02:05:49,149 --> 02:05:46,159
back to the intellipedia explanation

2708
02:05:50,949 --> 02:05:49,159
pretty much anything of any interest to

2709
02:05:53,379 --> 02:05:50,959
the intelligence community is within

2710
02:05:56,290 --> 02:05:53,389
intellipedia and again I mean I've got

2711
02:05:59,560 --> 02:05:56,300
tons of examples of that so I filed a

2712
02:06:01,270 --> 02:05:59,570
FOIA request for a search not only for

2713
02:06:03,040 --> 02:06:01,280
advanced aviation threat identification

2714
02:06:04,719 --> 02:06:03,050
program but also advanced aerospace

2715
02:06:06,250 --> 02:06:04,729
threat identification program because

2716
02:06:09,429 --> 02:06:06,260
again it's controversial who knows what

2717
02:06:11,980 --> 02:06:09,439
it is right so I requested a search for

2718
02:06:14,980 --> 02:06:11,990
those phrases is not on

2719
02:06:16,690 --> 02:06:14,990
but also all entries that say those

2720
02:06:18,700 --> 02:06:16,700
phrases so the way that I word the

2721
02:06:22,030 --> 02:06:18,710
request is even though the entry might

2722
02:06:25,450 --> 02:06:22,040
not say a tip if a tip is mentioned in

2723
02:06:28,030 --> 02:06:25,460
you know project XYZ document then it'll

2724
02:06:31,330 --> 02:06:28,040
come up so I'm very careful on how I

2725
02:06:34,240 --> 02:06:31,340
craft the FOIA request to ensure that I

2726
02:06:36,790 --> 02:06:34,250
get everything despite using both names

2727
02:06:40,720 --> 02:06:36,800
and the acronym and so on and so forth

2728
02:06:43,360 --> 02:06:40,730
they told me that a tip both renditions

2729
02:06:46,210 --> 02:06:43,370
of the name did not pier appear at all

2730
02:06:48,610 --> 02:06:46,220
in the millions of pages that were

2731
02:06:50,190 --> 02:06:48,620
within the system so not a single author

2732
02:06:53,890 --> 02:06:50,200
in any of the intelligence community

2733
02:06:56,200 --> 02:06:53,900
agencies ever felt that there was any

2734
02:06:58,780 --> 02:06:56,210
interest of having a tip as part of the

2735
02:07:01,960 --> 02:06:58,790
system now why is this important well

2736
02:07:04,900 --> 02:07:01,970
one very common misconception is while

2737
02:07:08,020 --> 02:07:04,910
it's too classified it's it's too

2738
02:07:10,740 --> 02:07:08,030
secretive they didn't know about it well

2739
02:07:13,690 --> 02:07:10,750
on the contrary that top secret level

2740
02:07:15,750 --> 02:07:13,700
intellipedia has the most highly

2741
02:07:19,330 --> 02:07:15,760
arguably the most highly classified

2742
02:07:21,970 --> 02:07:19,340
programs within it so in Intel opee do

2743
02:07:24,790 --> 02:07:21,980
worlds there is no such thing as too

2744
02:07:27,820 --> 02:07:24,800
classified how can I prove that while

2745
02:07:30,610 --> 02:07:27,830
the Edward Snowden revelations of spying

2746
02:07:32,650 --> 02:07:30,620
on cellphones and the prism program and

2747
02:07:36,670 --> 02:07:32,660
even going back to the days of echelon

2748
02:07:40,450 --> 02:07:36,680
all of those really highly sensitive

2749
02:07:42,160 --> 02:07:40,460
words come up in my requests some

2750
02:07:45,070 --> 02:07:42,170
entries I've been able to get

2751
02:07:46,930 --> 02:07:45,080
Declassified in part others the NSA

2752
02:07:50,940 --> 02:07:46,940
gives me what's what's called a Glomar

2753
02:07:53,830 --> 02:07:50,950
response and a Glomar Glomar response is

2754
02:07:57,580 --> 02:07:53,840
is where they say we can neither confirm

2755
02:07:59,500 --> 02:07:57,590
nor deny that documents exist in essence

2756
02:08:00,670 --> 02:07:59,510
they do but they're really classified

2757
02:08:03,460 --> 02:08:00,680
they don't want to tell you about them

2758
02:08:06,070 --> 02:08:03,470
that's the that's kind of the that's

2759
02:08:08,920 --> 02:08:06,080
kind of the scale for me on when it's

2760
02:08:09,970 --> 02:08:08,930
too classified with a tip they said no

2761
02:08:12,760 --> 02:08:09,980
we have no records

2762
02:08:16,260 --> 02:08:12,770
it doesn't appear however now fast

2763
02:08:18,730 --> 02:08:16,270
forward I filed a different request and

2764
02:08:20,470 --> 02:08:18,740
I wasn't actually going for a tip stuff

2765
02:08:23,020 --> 02:08:20,480
I was going for Bigelow Aerospace stuff

2766
02:08:24,729 --> 02:08:23,030
is Robert Bigelow is listening I was

2767
02:08:26,830 --> 02:08:24,739
just looking to see what kind of entries

2768
02:08:29,049 --> 02:08:26,840
mentioned your company you know it

2769
02:08:30,970 --> 02:08:29,059
wasn't really anything sinister I knew

2770
02:08:33,040 --> 02:08:30,980
that he was involved with a tip but

2771
02:08:35,109 --> 02:08:33,050
obviously Bigelow Aerospace I do a lot

2772
02:08:38,620 --> 02:08:35,119
of different keywords in the searches as

2773
02:08:42,549 --> 02:08:38,630
a result of that request filed after

2774
02:08:43,899 --> 02:08:42,559
that January date quite a few entries

2775
02:08:45,879 --> 02:08:43,909
and in fact they're right here next to

2776
02:08:48,489 --> 02:08:45,889
my chair I haven't even scanned them yet

2777
02:08:51,729 --> 02:08:48,499
but one of which I have which was the

2778
02:08:54,009 --> 02:08:51,739
UFO entry from intellipedia now I had

2779
02:08:56,529 --> 02:08:54,019
already received it in 2014 and it was

2780
02:08:57,819 --> 02:08:56,539
very kind of pathetic because there was

2781
02:09:00,759 --> 02:08:57,829
not much on it in fact I don't think

2782
02:09:02,859 --> 02:09:00,769
there was really anything on it now it

2783
02:09:04,060 --> 02:09:02,869
came up again with Bigelow Aerospace so

2784
02:09:06,040 --> 02:09:04,070
as I'm coming through this for you

2785
02:09:08,259 --> 02:09:06,050
responsible going why is a UFO entry in

2786
02:09:10,239 --> 02:09:08,269
here for Bigelow Aerospace other than

2787
02:09:13,629 --> 02:09:10,249
the obvious I mean we knew a tip but I

2788
02:09:16,270 --> 02:09:13,639
already got the denial some time and it

2789
02:09:21,069 --> 02:09:16,280
looks like it was December 22nd when

2790
02:09:25,569 --> 02:09:21,079
they actually added it in they added a

2791
02:09:30,310 --> 02:09:25,579
section on a tip in the UFO page now

2792
02:09:32,399 --> 02:09:30,320
they're in intellipedia one of the three

2793
02:09:36,479 --> 02:09:32,409
or all three but there is an

2794
02:09:39,310 --> 02:09:36,489
unidentified flying objects UFO page

2795
02:09:41,859 --> 02:09:39,320
correct and I received it before like I

2796
02:09:44,020 --> 02:09:41,869
said in 2014 no mention of a tip no

2797
02:09:45,640 --> 02:09:44,030
nothing I was and I have that archived

2798
02:09:48,729 --> 02:09:45,650
so if anybody goes to the intellipedia

2799
02:09:50,169 --> 02:09:48,739
page I archived all the previous

2800
02:09:51,609 --> 02:09:50,179
releases and then I'll go after them

2801
02:09:54,040 --> 02:09:51,619
after two years again to see how they

2802
02:09:55,660 --> 02:09:54,050
changed got it until it tel appears

2803
02:09:58,060 --> 02:09:55,670
considered a living breathing document

2804
02:10:00,009 --> 02:09:58,070
so when you go after a document that was

2805
02:10:01,720 --> 02:10:00,019
you know a report or an intelligence

2806
02:10:04,270 --> 02:10:01,730
assessment or whatever

2807
02:10:05,649 --> 02:10:04,280
outside of intellipedia once they're

2808
02:10:07,419 --> 02:10:05,659
published they're published they don't

2809
02:10:09,640 --> 02:10:07,429
more if they don't change intellipedia

2810
02:10:11,529 --> 02:10:09,650
is amazing in the sense that the

2811
02:10:13,899 --> 02:10:11,539
intelligence community they consider it

2812
02:10:16,319 --> 02:10:13,909
a living breathing document what it

2813
02:10:18,250 --> 02:10:16,329
looks like in December of 2017 is

2814
02:10:21,399 --> 02:10:18,260
sometimes different than it will in

2815
02:10:25,229 --> 02:10:21,409
January of 2018 it's kind of exactly

2816
02:10:28,390 --> 02:10:25,239
right it's kind of like a blockchain of

2817
02:10:32,430 --> 02:10:28,400
intelligence community records and so

2818
02:10:36,459 --> 02:10:32,440
it's inserted and and is archived

2819
02:10:38,200 --> 02:10:36,469
correct and so and then it changes so so

2820
02:10:38,720 --> 02:10:38,210
just like Wikipedia when you go to a

2821
02:10:41,510 --> 02:10:38,730
certain end

2822
02:10:44,390 --> 02:10:41,520
tree it will morph over time and so the

2823
02:10:46,400 --> 02:10:44,400
UFO page morphed and it had a new

2824
02:10:48,320 --> 02:10:46,410
section which obviously mentioned

2825
02:10:50,060 --> 02:10:48,330
Bigelow Aerospace my mind immediately

2826
02:10:53,570 --> 02:10:50,070
went to the obvious because we know

2827
02:10:56,960 --> 02:10:53,580
Bigelow Aerospace took took apart in a

2828
02:10:59,960 --> 02:10:56,970
tip how big is still debated but they

2829
02:11:03,050 --> 02:10:59,970
played a role in it so I started going

2830
02:11:05,810 --> 02:11:03,060
through the UFO entry and sure enough a

2831
02:11:10,870 --> 02:11:05,820
new heading is now in the entry and it

2832
02:11:16,580 --> 02:11:10,880
reads DoD's advanced aviation threat

2833
02:11:18,979 --> 02:11:16,590
identification program 2007 to 2012 then

2834
02:11:22,580 --> 02:11:18,989
following that heading are three

2835
02:11:25,310 --> 02:11:22,590
paragraphs that are preceded by a

2836
02:11:27,470 --> 02:11:25,320
capital u in parentheses now what does

2837
02:11:30,020 --> 02:11:27,480
that mean that the information within is

2838
02:11:31,790 --> 02:11:30,030
unclassified if it was secret it would

2839
02:11:34,850 --> 02:11:31,800
have an S if it was top secret it would

2840
02:11:36,920 --> 02:11:34,860
have a PS if it was confidential which

2841
02:11:39,290 --> 02:11:36,930
is the lowest it would have a C that's

2842
02:11:42,470 --> 02:11:39,300
how they kind of differentiate between

2843
02:11:43,910 --> 02:11:42,480
various paragraphs and the

2844
02:11:47,000 --> 02:11:43,920
classifications there are it's a

2845
02:11:48,950 --> 02:11:47,010
fascinating thing probably boring for

2846
02:11:50,210 --> 02:11:48,960
some but I love it because a top secret

2847
02:11:52,400 --> 02:11:50,220
document can have an unclassified

2848
02:11:55,790 --> 02:11:52,410
paragraph followed by a top secret one

2849
02:11:58,190 --> 02:11:55,800
right and so it varies on how documents

2850
02:12:01,130 --> 02:11:58,200
are written but there there are forms

2851
02:12:03,370 --> 02:12:01,140
and and ways that they have to structure

2852
02:12:06,380 --> 02:12:03,380
these records so three paragraphs all

2853
02:12:09,200 --> 02:12:06,390
unclassified nothing blacked out the

2854
02:12:12,640 --> 02:12:09,210
author wrote about a tip use the word

2855
02:12:15,410 --> 02:12:12,650
aviation and cited the New York Times

2856
02:12:17,930 --> 02:12:15,420
and Politico in the in the opening

2857
02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:17,940
sentence there but mostly referred to

2858
02:12:21,770 --> 02:12:19,770
the New York Times here's why it's

2859
02:12:25,070 --> 02:12:21,780
interesting to me the New York Times

2860
02:12:27,740 --> 02:12:25,080
published the article in December 2017

2861
02:12:30,260 --> 02:12:27,750
as the advanced aerospace threat ID

2862
02:12:32,740 --> 02:12:30,270
program right the problem that the the

2863
02:12:35,030 --> 02:12:32,750
the interesting thing for me here is

2864
02:12:37,270 --> 02:12:35,040
whomever the author is and we don't know

2865
02:12:40,100 --> 02:12:37,280
who it is because that's redacted

2866
02:12:42,080 --> 02:12:40,110
because of for privacy issues but

2867
02:12:45,260 --> 02:12:42,090
whomever the intelligence community

2868
02:12:47,630 --> 02:12:45,270
personnel was that wrote this reverted

2869
02:12:50,930 --> 02:12:47,640
it back to what has been floated by the

2870
02:12:52,760 --> 02:12:50,940
Pentagon is the real name in my opinion

2871
02:12:55,760 --> 02:12:52,770
if they really were

2872
02:12:57,680 --> 02:12:55,770
the New York Times they would have kept

2873
02:12:59,840 --> 02:12:57,690
it aerospace and even though they are

2874
02:13:03,800 --> 02:12:59,850
citing the New York Times they reverted

2875
02:13:06,010 --> 02:13:03,810
it back to the aviation name why now

2876
02:13:10,160 --> 02:13:06,020
again

2877
02:13:12,530 --> 02:13:10,170
in my opinion because they have

2878
02:13:15,140 --> 02:13:12,540
clearance you can't access intellipedia

2879
02:13:17,120 --> 02:13:15,150
without certain clearances now even

2880
02:13:19,730 --> 02:13:17,130
though this was unclassified at the very

2881
02:13:21,200 --> 02:13:19,740
bottom of the document the very bottom

2882
02:13:21,770 --> 02:13:21,210
for those that are reading reading

2883
02:13:24,500 --> 02:13:21,780
through it

2884
02:13:27,410 --> 02:13:24,510
the last line says highest possible

2885
02:13:31,940 --> 02:13:27,420
classification is top secret / and then

2886
02:13:33,620 --> 02:13:31,950
some code words and and so on the reason

2887
02:13:35,390 --> 02:13:33,630
why that's important is this probably

2888
02:13:37,520 --> 02:13:35,400
does come from the top secret level of

2889
02:13:39,020 --> 02:13:37,530
in telepathy but none of the information

2890
02:13:43,250 --> 02:13:39,030
in it is top secret so even though the

2891
02:13:45,200 --> 02:13:43,260
the the the overall system is top secret

2892
02:13:46,670 --> 02:13:45,210
within it like I said in a top secret

2893
02:13:48,250 --> 02:13:46,680
document you can have unclassified

2894
02:13:51,910 --> 02:13:48,260
information right that's exactly

2895
02:13:55,160 --> 02:13:51,920
indicative here so whatever whatever

2896
02:13:57,020 --> 02:13:55,170
whomever this was that added it reverted

2897
02:14:00,320 --> 02:13:57,030
that name back to go to your question

2898
02:14:03,050 --> 02:14:00,330
why is that well I'm gonna say because

2899
02:14:05,480 --> 02:14:03,060
it's accurate they're citing a New York

2900
02:14:07,130 --> 02:14:05,490
Times article that said aerospace if

2901
02:14:09,560 --> 02:14:07,140
they were just quoting from that and

2902
02:14:11,660 --> 02:14:09,570
using that as the only reference why

2903
02:14:15,350 --> 02:14:11,670
wouldn't they echo what that news

2904
02:14:18,140 --> 02:14:15,360
article said a cut and paste now or cut

2905
02:14:20,720 --> 02:14:18,150
and paste or whatever now again I want

2906
02:14:22,340 --> 02:14:20,730
to stress that the name issue with me is

2907
02:14:25,790 --> 02:14:22,350
a very small percentage of the overall

2908
02:14:28,730 --> 02:14:25,800
picture but to me it is a very important

2909
02:14:32,630 --> 02:14:28,740
point to try and figure out why is there

2910
02:14:34,310 --> 02:14:32,640
this essentially battle between one side

2911
02:14:36,890 --> 02:14:34,320
claiming one word the other side

2912
02:14:38,540 --> 02:14:36,900
claiming not if one side is not telling

2913
02:14:41,300 --> 02:14:38,550
the truth whichever side that is I think

2914
02:14:43,820 --> 02:14:41,310
that's important if the US government is

2915
02:14:45,950 --> 02:14:43,830
is not being truthful and they're

2916
02:14:48,350 --> 02:14:45,960
concealing the information and they're

2917
02:14:50,090 --> 02:14:48,360
hiding things that is very important

2918
02:14:52,720 --> 02:14:50,100
that's a very important part of this of

2919
02:14:56,900 --> 02:14:52,730
this story that they are covering up

2920
02:14:59,510 --> 02:14:56,910
this information and yet we don't have

2921
02:15:01,040 --> 02:14:59,520
an answer to that yet so some of the

2922
02:15:03,920 --> 02:15:01,050
people that I think are really the

2923
02:15:05,690 --> 02:15:03,930
diehard supporters of to the Stars which

2924
02:15:06,330 --> 02:15:05,700
is great I mean I'm glad that they're

2925
02:15:09,030 --> 02:15:06,340
passionate

2926
02:15:10,979 --> 02:15:09,040
but the main attack behind this is who

2927
02:15:11,700 --> 02:15:10,989
cares and I'm making a big deal out of

2928
02:15:13,470 --> 02:15:11,710
nothing

2929
02:15:15,089 --> 02:15:13,480
but to me I've been around the block

2930
02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:15,099
long enough to know that when somebody

2931
02:15:20,939 --> 02:15:18,010
makes a claim and there's bait errors in

2932
02:15:22,439 --> 02:15:20,949
the claim that to me is is indicative

2933
02:15:24,120 --> 02:15:22,449
that there's something else going on

2934
02:15:25,260 --> 02:15:24,130
whether or not the government is to

2935
02:15:27,240 --> 02:15:25,270
blame and they're concealing something

2936
02:15:29,240 --> 02:15:27,250
or whether or not the other side that's

2937
02:15:31,709 --> 02:15:29,250
embellishing to you know potentially

2938
02:15:34,620 --> 02:15:31,719
spark investments into their corporation

2939
02:15:37,620 --> 02:15:34,630
I don't know you can argue both ways

2940
02:15:39,930 --> 02:15:37,630
all I'm interested in is why and and

2941
02:15:42,140 --> 02:15:39,940
that is a big point but that again is

2942
02:15:44,280 --> 02:15:42,150
just one of quite a few other

2943
02:15:47,280 --> 02:15:44,290
revelations that have come out through

2944
02:15:49,350 --> 02:15:47,290
FOIA for example denials

2945
02:15:52,379 --> 02:15:49,360
about things that really shouldn't be

2946
02:15:54,180 --> 02:15:52,389
denied based on what mr. Elizondo has

2947
02:15:56,609 --> 02:15:54,190
said I'll give another quick one which i

2948
02:15:59,370 --> 02:15:56,619
think is very important he went on the

2949
02:16:01,370 --> 02:15:59,380
record stating that eight have received

2950
02:16:04,620 --> 02:16:01,380
their material from various sources

2951
02:16:06,270 --> 02:16:04,630
including the United States Navy and so

2952
02:16:08,370 --> 02:16:06,280
I filed a FOIA request to the United

2953
02:16:10,919 --> 02:16:08,380
States Navy and I asked for all

2954
02:16:13,140 --> 02:16:10,929
documents all videos all records all

2955
02:16:16,830 --> 02:16:13,150
communications all everything again I

2956
02:16:18,780 --> 02:16:16,840
get very very specific but I cover all

2957
02:16:20,370 --> 02:16:18,790
the bases of all the information

2958
02:16:23,910 --> 02:16:20,380
transferred from the Department of the

2959
02:16:25,740 --> 02:16:23,920
Navy over to OSD which is the office of

2960
02:16:29,609 --> 02:16:25,750
Secretary of Defense where mr. Elizondo

2961
02:16:32,520 --> 02:16:29,619
worked and having transferred over there

2962
02:16:34,320 --> 02:16:32,530
as part of the a tip program you know

2963
02:16:38,780 --> 02:16:34,330
because obviously if if he's stating

2964
02:16:41,820 --> 02:16:38,790
that they gave him records there are

2965
02:16:43,799 --> 02:16:41,830
transmittal slips to transfer that

2966
02:16:45,660 --> 02:16:43,809
information classified or not there are

2967
02:16:47,549 --> 02:16:45,670
memos there's communications there's

2968
02:16:49,500 --> 02:16:47,559
letters maybe there's emails all of

2969
02:16:51,570 --> 02:16:49,510
which I asked for from the Department of

2970
02:16:54,060 --> 02:16:51,580
the Navy they denied that they ever had

2971
02:16:57,270 --> 02:16:54,070
any communication with OSD regarding a

2972
02:17:00,299 --> 02:16:57,280
tip at all now why is that yeah you know

2973
02:17:03,179 --> 02:17:00,309
yeah there are there are these types of

2974
02:17:05,549 --> 02:17:03,189
red flags that one side says one thing

2975
02:17:07,860 --> 02:17:05,559
the other one says no actually there is

2976
02:17:09,719 --> 02:17:07,870
nothing are they all lying is this all

2977
02:17:12,870 --> 02:17:09,729
part of a big conspiracy to cover-up a

2978
02:17:15,480 --> 02:17:12,880
tip well maybe then that's important

2979
02:17:17,190 --> 02:17:15,490
that's important too yeah it is there is

2980
02:17:19,160 --> 02:17:17,200
a growing list of these unanswered

2981
02:17:22,250 --> 02:17:19,170
questions that I think are

2982
02:17:24,259 --> 02:17:22,260
very important I wanted to ask you and I

2983
02:17:26,209 --> 02:17:24,269
can see that we're probably gonna do a

2984
02:17:28,580 --> 02:17:26,219
little overtime tonight I'm just

2985
02:17:34,190 --> 02:17:28,590
watching the studio clock click bye too

2986
02:17:38,540 --> 02:17:34,200
much to talk about in my little circle

2987
02:17:40,370 --> 02:17:38,550
there is some mentions going on out

2988
02:17:42,200 --> 02:17:40,380
there now that I don't know if you're

2989
02:17:47,600 --> 02:17:42,210
aware of and if you are I need your

2990
02:17:50,509 --> 02:17:47,610
response that that weekend or that I

2991
02:17:52,940 --> 02:17:50,519
should say that timeframe of this

2992
02:17:56,690 --> 02:17:52,950
incident happening happening off of the

2993
02:18:01,400 --> 02:17:56,700
coast of San Diego that NASA the day

2994
02:18:05,299 --> 02:18:01,410
before had just completed some type of

2995
02:18:09,740 --> 02:18:05,309
ramjet hypersonic flight test of an

2996
02:18:10,790 --> 02:18:09,750
engine out there that was successful now

2997
02:18:14,060 --> 02:18:10,800
correct

2998
02:18:20,060 --> 02:18:14,070
you've heard the tic-tac incidents are

2999
02:18:23,450 --> 02:18:20,070
the nimitz encounter right right now I'm

3000
02:18:26,150 --> 02:18:23,460
not okay what do you know about that and

3001
02:18:29,480 --> 02:18:26,160
I find that yeah I don't know if it's if

3002
02:18:32,600 --> 02:18:29,490
it's a big deal or not but having it

3003
02:18:35,089 --> 02:18:32,610
happen apparently you know a day apart

3004
02:18:38,480 --> 02:18:35,099
or the same or whatever

3005
02:18:41,060 --> 02:18:38,490
could they be connected and and well

3006
02:18:42,500 --> 02:18:41,070
what have you heard yeah and I don't

3007
02:18:44,000 --> 02:18:42,510
want to come on let me just say this

3008
02:18:46,400 --> 02:18:44,010
real quick I don't want to come off as a

3009
02:18:48,890 --> 02:18:46,410
as a debunker just simply because I'm

3010
02:18:50,480 --> 02:18:48,900
not out to get anybody but to my

3011
02:18:53,600 --> 02:18:50,490
surprise there aren't a whole lot of

3012
02:18:55,009 --> 02:18:53,610
people talking about this and I do think

3013
02:18:59,629 --> 02:18:55,019
it's important just because of the

3014
02:19:00,919 --> 02:18:59,639
coincidence of it and the the Nimitz UFO

3015
02:19:03,230 --> 02:19:00,929
encounter which has gotten a lot of

3016
02:19:05,390 --> 02:19:03,240
press and a lot of played commander

3017
02:19:08,030 --> 02:19:05,400
flavor was was obviously interviewed

3018
02:19:09,379 --> 02:19:08,040
quite a bit and and I have a lot of

3019
02:19:11,990 --> 02:19:09,389
respect for the men and women of the

3020
02:19:14,150 --> 02:19:12,000
military so this is not against him but

3021
02:19:16,390 --> 02:19:14,160
they they they're saying that the Nimitz

3022
02:19:18,940 --> 02:19:16,400
UFO encounter happened on 14 November

3023
02:19:21,200 --> 02:19:18,950
2004 off the coast of San Diego and

3024
02:19:24,080 --> 02:19:21,210
what's not really talked about I'm

3025
02:19:26,030 --> 02:19:24,090
really kind of surprised is around that

3026
02:19:30,709 --> 02:19:26,040
same time frame it's actually within 48

3027
02:19:32,440 --> 02:19:30,719
hours the X 43 which was NASA's scramjet

3028
02:19:35,650 --> 02:19:32,450
did a test flight

3029
02:19:38,770 --> 02:19:35,660
and they actually crushed the world

3030
02:19:41,230 --> 02:19:38,780
record they hit Mach 10 at seven

3031
02:19:44,290 --> 02:19:41,240
thousand seven thousand miles an hour

3032
02:19:49,990 --> 02:19:44,300
and they tested this thing that very

3033
02:19:52,480 --> 02:19:50,000
same time frame and the again the the

3034
02:19:54,310 --> 02:19:52,490
the difference was about 48 hours from

3035
02:19:56,920 --> 02:19:54,320
what has been published as the Nimitz

3036
02:19:59,950 --> 02:19:56,930
encounter and the actual test of the X

3037
02:20:02,590 --> 02:19:59,960
43 now the reason why I bring this up is

3038
02:20:05,710 --> 02:20:02,600
of all the gin joints in all the world

3039
02:20:08,620 --> 02:20:05,720
the X 43 was tested off the coast of

3040
02:20:10,270 --> 02:20:08,630
California mmm now it's considered off

3041
02:20:11,920 --> 02:20:10,280
the coast of Los Angeles but obviously

3042
02:20:13,810 --> 02:20:11,930
if you're going 7,000 miles an hour

3043
02:20:15,610 --> 02:20:13,820
you're not only going to be seen from

3044
02:20:17,530 --> 02:20:15,620
Malibu you know what I mean I mean

3045
02:20:19,690 --> 02:20:17,540
you're gonna be seen quite quite a

3046
02:20:22,060 --> 02:20:19,700
distance now am i saying that that's

3047
02:20:23,980 --> 02:20:22,070
what the tic-tac encounter was no I mean

3048
02:20:26,770 --> 02:20:23,990
just based on the date there's a

3049
02:20:28,300 --> 02:20:26,780
difference there but what I am saying is

3050
02:20:31,240 --> 02:20:28,310
a possibility is there could have been

3051
02:20:34,450 --> 02:20:31,250
other tests leading up to the test of

3052
02:20:36,130 --> 02:20:34,460
the x-43 were they testing other models

3053
02:20:39,190 --> 02:20:36,140
where they you know again the

3054
02:20:41,290 --> 02:20:39,200
coincidence of such an amazing UFO

3055
02:20:44,650 --> 02:20:41,300
encounter and the pilots seeing

3056
02:20:48,280 --> 02:20:44,660
something as he reported traveling at

3057
02:20:50,679 --> 02:20:48,290
such great speed within a 48-hour period

3058
02:20:52,900 --> 02:20:50,689
NASA's testing a Mach 10 aircraft and

3059
02:20:54,640 --> 02:20:52,910
almost the same area right that to me is

3060
02:20:57,520 --> 02:20:54,650
something that we need to look at we

3061
02:21:01,000 --> 02:20:57,530
need to at least rule it out that NASA

3062
02:21:02,890 --> 02:21:01,010
wasn't testing pre testing something and

3063
02:21:05,290 --> 02:21:02,900
again I'm guessing here I don't have any

3064
02:21:07,960 --> 02:21:05,300
documentation to support this part but

3065
02:21:10,120 --> 02:21:07,970
what if they had you know some other

3066
02:21:12,730 --> 02:21:10,130
tests going on to make sure they didn't

3067
02:21:14,560 --> 02:21:12,740
embarrass themselves come to 16th when

3068
02:21:17,530 --> 02:21:14,570
they put the X 43 in flight what if they

3069
02:21:19,990 --> 02:21:17,540
did some lower level maybe not Mach 10

3070
02:21:22,090 --> 02:21:20,000
but but but very high speed aircraft at

3071
02:21:25,540 --> 02:21:22,100
a lower level just to see how they were

3072
02:21:27,880 --> 02:21:25,550
gonna do on the 16th and could that have

3073
02:21:30,219 --> 02:21:27,890
landed on the 14th because again that

3074
02:21:32,890 --> 02:21:30,229
area that general vicinity was the same

3075
02:21:35,230 --> 02:21:32,900
now again I sell I mean I cringe when I

3076
02:21:38,110 --> 02:21:35,240
bring this up because I know

3077
02:21:39,820 --> 02:21:38,120
right hey your your debunking your going

3078
02:21:42,969 --> 02:21:39,830
after these be sure that's not the case

3079
02:21:46,870 --> 02:21:42,979
that's not the case and no but I fear it

3080
02:21:48,850 --> 02:21:46,880
you know Wow looks it's ok we we need to

3081
02:21:51,490 --> 02:21:48,860
look at everything I had heard that it

3082
02:21:54,969 --> 02:21:51,500
was the day before you're saying it's a

3083
02:21:56,530 --> 02:21:54,979
48-hour window yeah and there's there's

3084
02:21:58,719 --> 02:21:56,540
a NASA press release not to interrupt

3085
02:22:00,550 --> 02:21:58,729
you real quick it's documented on a NASA

3086
02:22:03,190 --> 02:22:00,560
press release that the exact number if

3087
02:22:08,140 --> 02:22:03,200
anybody wants to google it is NASA press

3088
02:22:10,060 --> 02:22:08,150
release 0 4 - 3 7 3 and it documents

3089
02:22:12,820 --> 02:22:10,070
what NASA did now and that is

3090
02:22:14,770 --> 02:22:12,830
irrefutable there's no there's there's

3091
02:22:17,380 --> 02:22:14,780
no guessing on that that is irrefutable

3092
02:22:20,440 --> 02:22:17,390
that on the 16th they they broke Mach 10

3093
02:22:24,700 --> 02:22:20,450
now let's just suppose here for a second

3094
02:22:27,520 --> 02:22:24,710
that flavor or any pilot right in the

3095
02:22:32,610 --> 02:22:27,530
Navy happens to witness something like

3096
02:22:35,890 --> 02:22:32,620
this and and maybe gets it on radar or a

3097
02:22:37,300 --> 02:22:35,900
missile for you know some type of a Navy

3098
02:22:39,969 --> 02:22:37,310
ship is out there and they picked this

3099
02:22:41,140 --> 02:22:39,979
up too as well and ripping at this kind

3100
02:22:44,860 --> 02:22:41,150
of speed they wouldn't know what they

3101
02:22:46,870 --> 02:22:44,870
were looking at right they and yeah and

3102
02:22:48,940 --> 02:22:46,880
that's not a negative insults and I

3103
02:22:52,570 --> 02:22:48,950
agree with you they're not gonna know

3104
02:22:55,060 --> 02:22:52,580
what it is if I saw it if I saw it I

3105
02:22:57,310 --> 02:22:55,070
wouldn't know you know and that's a

3106
02:23:00,850 --> 02:22:57,320
that's a crazy thing to have seen but I

3107
02:23:02,320 --> 02:23:00,860
find it fast with the first time that I

3108
02:23:04,330 --> 02:23:02,330
heard about this John I'm just gonna be

3109
02:23:06,360 --> 02:23:04,340
straight with everybody out there just

3110
02:23:09,940 --> 02:23:06,370
like whoa wait a minute here

3111
02:23:12,610 --> 02:23:09,950
ok all right that's all you got to do we

3112
02:23:15,160 --> 02:23:12,620
just gotta stop and analyze all of this

3113
02:23:17,350 --> 02:23:15,170
but that is that is something that's

3114
02:23:20,230 --> 02:23:17,360
going on out there and and we should all

3115
02:23:22,480 --> 02:23:20,240
just take a look at it and and you know

3116
02:23:24,270 --> 02:23:22,490
see where this goes it's a very

3117
02:23:26,800 --> 02:23:24,280
fascinating point now there was a

3118
02:23:28,660 --> 02:23:26,810
something else that I wanted to ask you

3119
02:23:30,760 --> 02:23:28,670
do you have anything you wanted to add

3120
02:23:34,900 --> 02:23:30,770
to that there's something else I needed

3121
02:23:36,880 --> 02:23:34,910
to ask you know I for me the final

3122
02:23:38,650 --> 02:23:36,890
thought would be the the it's not every

3123
02:23:41,560 --> 02:23:38,660
day the military is testing Mach 10

3124
02:23:44,380 --> 02:23:41,570
aircraft right and so for it to happen

3125
02:23:46,450 --> 02:23:44,390
within that 48 hour window I know you

3126
02:23:48,460 --> 02:23:46,460
said you heard 24 it's possible because

3127
02:23:48,850 --> 02:23:48,470
I don't know how documented that the

3128
02:23:50,291 --> 02:23:48,860
nimeth

3129
02:23:52,060 --> 02:23:50,301
counter was on the fourteenth I believe

3130
02:23:54,850 --> 02:23:52,070
that has been the published date maybe

3131
02:23:56,711 --> 02:23:54,860
that is confirmed as the the the the you

3132
02:23:59,171 --> 02:23:56,721
know the date that it all happened

3133
02:24:02,650 --> 02:23:59,181
but regardless 48 hours even 72 hours

3134
02:24:04,240 --> 02:24:02,660
the fact that NASA did this Mach 10 test

3135
02:24:06,970 --> 02:24:04,250
and that doesn't happen all the time and

3136
02:24:09,041 --> 02:24:06,980
it's in a very close vicinity to the

3137
02:24:11,890 --> 02:24:09,051
Nimitz and San Diego when you're

3138
02:24:13,690 --> 02:24:11,900
traveling Mach 10 I don't know the mass

3139
02:24:16,060 --> 02:24:13,700
off the top of my head but la the San

3140
02:24:18,341 --> 02:24:16,070
Diego is is probably pretty you know

3141
02:24:20,381 --> 02:24:18,351
pretty attainable so the fact that it's

3142
02:24:21,850 --> 02:24:20,391
in that vicinity is something that I

3143
02:24:25,120 --> 02:24:21,860
think we should look at and at least

3144
02:24:27,461 --> 02:24:25,130
rule it out as being something that was

3145
02:24:30,551 --> 02:24:27,471
just a really crazy coincidence that a

3146
02:24:32,650 --> 02:24:30,561
UFO encounter of a high-speed UFO was

3147
02:24:35,200 --> 02:24:32,660
seen at the same time that humans we're

3148
02:24:37,930 --> 02:24:35,210
testing a Mach 10 very high-speed 7,000

3149
02:24:39,551 --> 02:24:37,940
mile an hour scramjet I think that

3150
02:24:42,041 --> 02:24:39,561
that's something that we need to look at

3151
02:24:43,331 --> 02:24:42,051
and potentially rule out can I keep you

3152
02:24:50,620 --> 02:24:43,341
for another 10 minutes

3153
02:24:54,190 --> 02:24:50,630
yeah okay exactly because there is

3154
02:24:57,280 --> 02:24:54,200
something else that look this isn't some

3155
02:24:58,120 --> 02:24:57,290
type of a TT si bashing show it's not

3156
02:25:01,301 --> 02:24:58,130
about that at all

3157
02:25:05,820 --> 02:25:01,311
but it is about reporting the news and a

3158
02:25:10,660 --> 02:25:05,830
couple of weeks ago we we got elizondo's

3159
02:25:14,200 --> 02:25:10,670
resignation letter was was downloaded

3160
02:25:16,091 --> 02:25:14,210
off of Chris Mullins website which has

3161
02:25:18,850 --> 02:25:16,101
since been taken down I don't know if

3162
02:25:21,761 --> 02:25:18,860
it's back up but the website was taken

3163
02:25:25,390 --> 02:25:21,771
down now that being said that wasn't the

3164
02:25:29,230 --> 02:25:25,400
only thing that was grabbed off of the

3165
02:25:31,780 --> 02:25:29,240
site and I've got all of the stuff here

3166
02:25:34,570 --> 02:25:31,790
I haven't shared any of it publicly I

3167
02:25:36,370 --> 02:25:34,580
haven't talked about it I do have the

3168
02:25:40,530 --> 02:25:36,380
names list I've got that I've got a

3169
02:25:43,870 --> 02:25:40,540
couple of other things and it was

3170
02:25:47,530 --> 02:25:43,880
apparently available for anybody to

3171
02:25:50,591 --> 02:25:47,540
download or have access to I'm gonna ask

3172
02:25:54,581 --> 02:25:50,601
you is that is that a mistake on melons

3173
02:25:58,810 --> 02:25:54,591
part or was it was it there to be

3174
02:26:01,001 --> 02:25:58,820
discovered well that's a question that

3175
02:26:02,440 --> 02:26:01,011
you're going to have to ask him in my

3176
02:26:04,060 --> 02:26:02,450
personal opinion

3177
02:26:06,761 --> 02:26:04,070
if I would have to venture a guess it

3178
02:26:07,870 --> 02:26:06,771
was a mistake and in my opinion a rather

3179
02:26:09,270 --> 02:26:07,880
big one

3180
02:26:12,040 --> 02:26:09,280
simply because you do have that

3181
02:26:14,500 --> 02:26:12,050
confidential information of the pilots

3182
02:26:17,410 --> 02:26:14,510
so they obviously released kind of the

3183
02:26:19,690 --> 02:26:17,420
breakdown of the Nimitz personnel that

3184
02:26:21,970 --> 02:26:19,700
they had talked to but they had redacted

3185
02:26:24,250 --> 02:26:21,980
the names and redacted phone numbers and

3186
02:26:27,040 --> 02:26:24,260
emails and obviously and rightfully so

3187
02:26:28,900 --> 02:26:27,050
and yet this document was unredacted it

3188
02:26:31,270 --> 02:26:28,910
was like a big oops that everything was

3189
02:26:33,370 --> 02:26:31,280
there so I I do believe that that was a

3190
02:26:35,801 --> 02:26:33,380
mistake I don't believe all of the names

3191
02:26:38,381 --> 02:26:35,811
on that list want to be contacted by any

3192
02:26:40,841 --> 02:26:38,391
Joe Schmo that's out there that wants to

3193
02:26:42,400 --> 02:26:40,851
ask I'm a UFO question one of the other

3194
02:26:45,011 --> 02:26:42,410
things that you mentioned was the

3195
02:26:47,320 --> 02:26:45,021
Elizondo resignation letter that mr.

3196
02:26:49,450 --> 02:26:47,330
Elizondo had submitted this was quoted

3197
02:26:51,370 --> 02:26:49,460
in the New York Times I do not believe

3198
02:26:53,230 --> 02:26:51,380
and correct me if I'm wrong that they

3199
02:26:55,480 --> 02:26:53,240
have spoken out that that is legitimate

3200
02:26:58,360 --> 02:26:55,490
or not I don't have a doubt that it's

3201
02:27:00,520 --> 02:26:58,370
legitimate I have concerns about it but

3202
02:27:01,870 --> 02:27:00,530
I will tell you a quick one because I'm

3203
02:27:04,120 --> 02:27:01,880
guessing you're coming up on a break but

3204
02:27:06,940 --> 02:27:04,130
I filed a FOIA request based on the New

3205
02:27:09,430 --> 02:27:06,950
York Times reference for mr. elizondo's

3206
02:27:12,040 --> 02:27:09,440
resignation letter I was given a no

3207
02:27:14,051 --> 02:27:12,050
records response now you can read into

3208
02:27:16,750 --> 02:27:14,061
that what you will I want to be fair

3209
02:27:19,600 --> 02:27:16,760
here and say that there is a huge legal

3210
02:27:22,870 --> 02:27:19,610
debate on whether or not resignation

3211
02:27:24,700 --> 02:27:22,880
letters are subject to the FOIA and it

3212
02:27:27,790 --> 02:27:24,710
has been argued in the Supreme Court

3213
02:27:29,830 --> 02:27:27,800
when Donald Rumsfeld resigned they under

3214
02:27:32,530 --> 02:27:29,840
FOIA including myself we went after it

3215
02:27:34,240 --> 02:27:32,540
many many years ago and it was denied

3216
02:27:35,620 --> 02:27:34,250
and it went to the Supreme Court and

3217
02:27:38,020 --> 02:27:35,630
they argued that it's considered a

3218
02:27:39,400 --> 02:27:38,030
personal document I want to add to the

3219
02:27:40,990 --> 02:27:39,410
story though and I've never talked about

3220
02:27:42,761 --> 02:27:41,000
this and I haven't published it yet but

3221
02:27:46,091 --> 02:27:42,771
I figured since you brought it up why

3222
02:27:49,330 --> 02:27:46,101
not even though a resignation letter is

3223
02:27:52,930 --> 02:27:49,340
not subject to the FOIA emails are so I

3224
02:27:55,631 --> 02:27:52,940
filed a request for a search of all of

3225
02:27:59,500 --> 02:27:55,641
James Madison's emails the Secretary of

3226
02:28:02,700 --> 02:27:59,510
Defense and I used only a single keyword

3227
02:28:06,220 --> 02:28:02,710
to be searched from January 1st of 2017

3228
02:28:08,710 --> 02:28:06,230
through I believe I've sent it in March

3229
02:28:11,320 --> 02:28:08,720
of 2018 it was in 2018 I just don't

3230
02:28:13,000 --> 02:28:11,330
number one month regardless though the

3231
02:28:16,250 --> 02:28:13,010
single key word I asked to be searched

3232
02:28:20,960 --> 02:28:16,260
was Elizondo so any email that was

3233
02:28:23,510 --> 02:28:20,970
cccc - from sent trashed anything with

3234
02:28:25,760 --> 02:28:23,520
that keyword in whatever way that it

3235
02:28:28,880 --> 02:28:25,770
would appear was subject to my FOIA

3236
02:28:31,059 --> 02:28:28,890
request I got a no records response okay

3237
02:28:34,190 --> 02:28:31,069
let's take a break right there because I

3238
02:28:36,800 --> 02:28:34,200
want to know why and I want to discuss I

3239
02:28:38,630 --> 02:28:36,810
want to discuss the resignation letter

3240
02:28:41,360 --> 02:28:38,640
and we're gonna do that when we come

3241
02:28:43,580 --> 02:28:41,370
back the resignation letter it was just

3242
02:28:47,599 --> 02:28:43,590
it was funky on a lot of different

3243
02:28:49,780 --> 02:28:47,609
levels and John and I have debated this

3244
02:28:52,160 --> 02:28:49,790
personally we'll continue the debate

3245
02:28:54,230 --> 02:28:52,170
we're on two sides of the fence on this

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doing overtime with John Green wall the

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discuss when it came to the Japan

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encounter and having John seriously back

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02:34:05,350 --> 02:34:02,090
over stumble over those documents to

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02:34:07,870 --> 02:34:05,360
present those to the community is just

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02:34:11,530 --> 02:34:07,880
absolutely incredible so we we we did

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02:34:16,060 --> 02:34:11,540
that but going over a tip and having

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02:34:20,580 --> 02:34:16,070
only one singular document surface and

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02:34:23,530 --> 02:34:20,590
having that in the intelligence

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02:34:27,460 --> 02:34:23,540
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02:34:29,910 --> 02:34:27,470
is remarkable it's just absolutely

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02:34:34,810 --> 02:34:29,920
remarkable but now we're talking about

3348
02:34:39,460 --> 02:34:34,820
the Elizondo resignation letter now John

3349
02:34:41,410 --> 02:34:39,470
and I just John I'm just going to throw

3350
02:34:43,920 --> 02:34:41,420
us both under the bus a little bit John

3351
02:34:46,719 --> 02:34:43,930
and I had a very spirited conversation

3352
02:34:51,060 --> 02:34:46,729
that lasted probably for an hour or two

3353
02:34:54,820 --> 02:34:51,070
on the phone about this document now

3354
02:34:58,330 --> 02:34:54,830
John said to me at that time it's real

3355
02:35:02,139 --> 02:34:58,340
what I had said then and I'll say it

3356
02:35:07,679 --> 02:35:02,149
again publicly John if it's real that's

3357
02:35:11,110 --> 02:35:07,689
fine but I there is no way that anybody

3358
02:35:14,110 --> 02:35:11,120
outside of to the Stars or Lewis

3359
02:35:17,310 --> 02:35:14,120
Elizondo but no but that letter was

3360
02:35:19,929 --> 02:35:17,320
never sent and never read by anybody

3361
02:35:23,950 --> 02:35:19,939
concerning a resignation there is just

3362
02:35:27,730 --> 02:35:23,960
no way it's it's yeah I I can't like

3363
02:35:29,469 --> 02:35:27,740
it's an embarrassment if it was sent and

3364
02:35:31,179 --> 02:35:29,479
and I have my reasons for that but I

3365
02:35:33,460 --> 02:35:31,189
just don't think anybody ever read it

3366
02:35:35,770 --> 02:35:33,470
yeah and I want to be fair here and

3367
02:35:37,960 --> 02:35:35,780
accurate I I said I believe it's real I

3368
02:35:39,460 --> 02:35:37,970
don't know for a fact if it is it

3369
02:35:41,710 --> 02:35:39,470
wouldn't surprise me if it was the

3370
02:35:45,340 --> 02:35:41,720
quotes from the New York Times did

3371
02:35:46,719 --> 02:35:45,350
accurately quote from it so whether or

3372
02:35:48,580 --> 02:35:46,729
not it's real and really his resignation

3373
02:35:49,900 --> 02:35:48,590
letter I do believe that it is real in

3374
02:35:51,760 --> 02:35:49,910
the sense that that's what the New York

3375
02:35:53,860 --> 02:35:51,770
Times was given

3376
02:35:56,710 --> 02:35:53,870
again with that FOIA request coming up-

3377
02:35:58,990 --> 02:35:56,720
when I was seeking through the the email

3378
02:36:00,310 --> 02:35:59,000
process was not necessarily the

3379
02:36:01,870 --> 02:36:00,320
resignation letter because he could have

3380
02:36:04,480 --> 02:36:01,880
just put that on some of these desk and

3381
02:36:07,600 --> 02:36:04,490
and not emailed it so I want to be fair

3382
02:36:10,300 --> 02:36:07,610
there however what really surprised me

3383
02:36:13,360 --> 02:36:10,310
was that mr. elizondo's name did not

3384
02:36:16,330 --> 02:36:13,370
come up on a single letter to the man

3385
02:36:18,820 --> 02:36:16,340
that he resigned to and nor did it come

3386
02:36:22,540 --> 02:36:18,830
up even after he started talking

3387
02:36:25,030 --> 02:36:22,550
publicly in October of 2017 nor did it

3388
02:36:28,180 --> 02:36:25,040
come up after the avalanche of media

3389
02:36:30,700 --> 02:36:28,190
publicity in December of 2017

3390
02:36:33,880 --> 02:36:30,710
my whole argument with that is is

3391
02:36:36,040 --> 02:36:33,890
there's something going on here that

3392
02:36:38,740 --> 02:36:36,050
doesn't make any sense you would think

3393
02:36:40,420 --> 02:36:38,750
that if mr. Elizondo is making the

3394
02:36:42,760 --> 02:36:40,430
claims that he is and I'm not saying

3395
02:36:45,250 --> 02:36:42,770
they're not truthful but I'm saying with

3396
02:36:48,340 --> 02:36:45,260
those types of claims and that he wrote

3397
02:36:51,430 --> 02:36:48,350
a resignation letter to secretary

3398
02:36:55,180 --> 02:36:51,440
Madison as he said that he did why

3399
02:36:58,000 --> 02:36:55,190
wouldn't there be a single email in more

3400
02:37:00,310 --> 02:36:58,010
than a year in the guy's email box that

3401
02:37:02,200 --> 02:37:00,320
supports anything well somebody said to

3402
02:37:05,590 --> 02:37:02,210
me somebody said to me

3403
02:37:09,150 --> 02:37:05,600
a couple of weeks ago and I got an email

3404
02:37:16,330 --> 02:37:09,160
from somebody that maybe Louis

3405
02:37:19,180 --> 02:37:16,340
hand-delivered it letter sure but again

3406
02:37:20,650 --> 02:37:19,190
with with his position and what he was

3407
02:37:23,770 --> 02:37:20,660
doing not only with a tip but he

3408
02:37:27,460 --> 02:37:23,780
obviously stuck around from 2012 to

3409
02:37:29,680 --> 02:37:27,470
October of 2017 my question and this is

3410
02:37:31,750 --> 02:37:29,690
this isn't a list of questions that I

3411
02:37:33,070 --> 02:37:31,760
would have if he was off he was on with

3412
02:37:35,650 --> 02:37:33,080
me right now

3413
02:37:38,110 --> 02:37:35,660
is what were you doing because it wasn't

3414
02:37:41,200 --> 02:37:38,120
a tip and if it was I want to know how

3415
02:37:43,360 --> 02:37:41,210
they circumvented funding it and and all

3416
02:37:44,740 --> 02:37:43,370
the audits and inspector general reports

3417
02:37:47,170 --> 02:37:44,750
where they're looking at where this

3418
02:37:49,240 --> 02:37:47,180
money is going to and from and that to

3419
02:37:51,070 --> 02:37:49,250
me is one of the bigger flaws in this

3420
02:37:54,880 --> 02:37:51,080
story let's just put the name debate

3421
02:37:56,590 --> 02:37:54,890
aside because you know there's that you

3422
02:37:59,440 --> 02:37:56,600
can argue both ways so let's put that

3423
02:38:03,100 --> 02:37:59,450
debate aside if he is taking money from

3424
02:38:05,069 --> 02:38:03,110
other projects which I believe he has

3425
02:38:06,989 --> 02:38:05,079
said and I know he has where he

3426
02:38:08,819 --> 02:38:06,999
saying that we were able to fund it

3427
02:38:12,179 --> 02:38:08,829
through other projects and this and that

3428
02:38:15,209 --> 02:38:12,189
and continue a tip from 2012 on my

3429
02:38:17,519 --> 02:38:15,219
question is how did he circumvent every

3430
02:38:19,739 --> 02:38:17,529
audit and the prying eyes of the

3431
02:38:23,909 --> 02:38:19,749
Inspector General Office because you

3432
02:38:27,629 --> 02:38:23,919
just can't you can't reappropriation x'

3433
02:38:30,089 --> 02:38:27,639
from one project to another at his level

3434
02:38:32,329 --> 02:38:30,099
I don't even think secretary mattes

3435
02:38:34,979 --> 02:38:32,339
could do something like that without

3436
02:38:38,179 --> 02:38:34,989
approvals and and so on and so forth

3437
02:38:40,679 --> 02:38:38,189
when it comes to fund appropriations and

3438
02:38:43,109 --> 02:38:40,689
according to his story and this is where

3439
02:38:45,089 --> 02:38:43,119
it starts to fall apart for me is that

3440
02:38:46,679 --> 02:38:45,099
the a tip continued and it was still

3441
02:38:49,319 --> 02:38:46,689
going on and they were still doing this

3442
02:38:52,050 --> 02:38:49,329
well how did they fund it if it ended in

3443
02:38:54,510 --> 02:38:52,060
2012 because mr. Elizondo did say that

3444
02:38:56,129 --> 02:38:54,520
yes well the main funding ended in 2012

3445
02:38:59,609 --> 02:38:56,139
but we were able to find money from

3446
02:39:01,919 --> 02:38:59,619
other projects my big question is then

3447
02:39:04,019 --> 02:39:01,929
who were you with in the Pentagon and

3448
02:39:06,629 --> 02:39:04,029
what were you really doing from 2012 to

3449
02:39:08,669 --> 02:39:06,639
2017 and how did you circumvent all

3450
02:39:10,469 --> 02:39:08,679
those processes because yeah the

3451
02:39:12,989 --> 02:39:10,479
government is has made some really bad

3452
02:39:15,479 --> 02:39:12,999
mistakes with money but I'm sorry they

3453
02:39:17,550 --> 02:39:15,489
do watch it you know I mean there there

3454
02:39:20,879 --> 02:39:17,560
there is a checks and balances system

3455
02:39:23,849 --> 02:39:20,889
and so that's where I feel a bigger flaw

3456
02:39:26,579 --> 02:39:23,859
in the story is that I feel many people

3457
02:39:30,089 --> 02:39:26,589
just overlooked because it's easier to

3458
02:39:32,760 --> 02:39:30,099
believe that the Pentagon had a top

3459
02:39:35,550 --> 02:39:32,770
secret UFO program because it leads into

3460
02:39:38,699 --> 02:39:35,560
the belief of many of us in pop culture

3461
02:39:41,010 --> 02:39:38,709
we want to believe that it's easier to

3462
02:39:43,859 --> 02:39:41,020
just say it's all the truth I told you

3463
02:39:46,079 --> 02:39:43,869
they've been researching UFOs the reason

3464
02:39:48,719 --> 02:39:46,089
why I am skeptical not trying to be a

3465
02:39:51,389 --> 02:39:48,729
debunker skeptic but skeptical and I

3466
02:39:54,779 --> 02:39:51,399
have questions is the fact that I want

3467
02:39:57,419 --> 02:39:54,789
to make sure because I've devoted 22

3468
02:39:59,519 --> 02:39:57,429
years plus of my life to it I want to

3469
02:40:00,469 --> 02:39:59,529
make sure that the information is

3470
02:40:03,179 --> 02:40:00,479
accurate

3471
02:40:05,309 --> 02:40:03,189
Newsweek just came out with an expose on

3472
02:40:07,379 --> 02:40:05,319
to the Stars Academy and got into mr.

3473
02:40:10,260 --> 02:40:07,389
Elizondo and you know Tom DeLonge and

3474
02:40:12,569 --> 02:40:10,270
everybody and and and so on and they did

3475
02:40:14,879 --> 02:40:12,579
I believe a very fair piece and if you

3476
02:40:16,889 --> 02:40:14,889
haven't seen it check it out but my

3477
02:40:17,631 --> 02:40:16,899
point with this and bringing it up is

3478
02:40:24,201 --> 02:40:17,641
this

3479
02:40:27,650 --> 02:40:24,211
program and they have meta materials

3480
02:40:30,111 --> 02:40:27,660
that are probably alien right the

3481
02:40:32,361 --> 02:40:30,121
journalists are looking at this and not

3482
02:40:33,350 --> 02:40:32,371
doing follow-up stories nobody can argue

3483
02:40:35,180 --> 02:40:33,360
with me on that one

3484
02:40:38,810 --> 02:40:35,190
you know why hasn't the New York Times

3485
02:40:41,331 --> 02:40:38,820
done 16 stories since December of 2017

3486
02:40:43,821 --> 02:40:41,341
you would think that they would put the

3487
02:40:45,591 --> 02:40:43,831
effort that they are on you know the the

3488
02:40:48,831 --> 02:40:45,601
political stories of the day because

3489
02:40:52,551 --> 02:40:48,841
this is an amazing story but they're not

3490
02:40:54,591 --> 02:40:52,561
and I want to know why and I believe if

3491
02:40:57,381 --> 02:40:54,601
I had to guess it's because the

3492
02:41:00,261 --> 02:40:57,391
information is not there to continue to

3493
02:41:01,671 --> 02:41:00,271
support reporting on it at this point if

3494
02:41:04,281 --> 02:41:01,681
they come out with something tomorrow

3495
02:41:07,041 --> 02:41:04,291
that totally blows all those skeptical

3496
02:41:09,501 --> 02:41:07,051
questions away awesome he claims he has

3497
02:41:12,051 --> 02:41:09,511
evidence that the DoD released the three

3498
02:41:14,331 --> 02:41:12,061
videos that they have the DoD says no

3499
02:41:16,251 --> 02:41:14,341
they didn't I want to know why isn't he

3500
02:41:18,440 --> 02:41:16,261
showing that evidence so when you

3501
02:41:20,541 --> 02:41:18,450
conceal evidence not from the government

3502
02:41:22,701 --> 02:41:20,551
side but from this public benefit

3503
02:41:24,560 --> 02:41:22,711
corporation they're concealing that

3504
02:41:26,211 --> 02:41:24,570
evidence they've chosen not to show it

3505
02:41:29,121 --> 02:41:26,221
right that's not me laying the

3506
02:41:30,831 --> 02:41:29,131
accusation that's real they claim they

3507
02:41:33,020 --> 02:41:30,841
have evidence to disprove what the

3508
02:41:36,531 --> 02:41:33,030
government says but they will not show

3509
02:41:39,081 --> 02:41:36,541
you I cannot figure out why the only

3510
02:41:40,881 --> 02:41:39,091
reason the only reason I can I can say

3511
02:41:43,461 --> 02:41:40,891
that they're not showing it is because

3512
02:41:45,321 --> 02:41:43,471
there's nothing to show that may sound

3513
02:41:47,361 --> 02:41:45,331
mean but that's the only thing I can

3514
02:41:51,201 --> 02:41:47,371
come up with I don't know I don't know

3515
02:41:52,640 --> 02:41:51,211
what damage it would do if they came out

3516
02:41:55,400 --> 02:41:52,650
and said you know what the government is

3517
02:41:56,961 --> 02:41:55,410
telling John and and other news our

3518
02:41:58,011 --> 02:41:56,971
agencies because they have put it in

3519
02:42:00,531 --> 02:41:58,021
writing they have made official

3520
02:42:04,690 --> 02:42:00,541
statements we did not release those

3521
02:42:07,310 --> 02:42:04,700
videos if mr. Elizondo has a authentic

3522
02:42:10,100 --> 02:42:07,320
document that he says he does that

3523
02:42:12,051 --> 02:42:10,110
proves they released the video that will

3524
02:42:14,690 --> 02:42:12,061
do nothing but benefit to the Stars

3525
02:42:17,571 --> 02:42:14,700
Academy and put this to bed and yet in

3526
02:42:20,001 --> 02:42:17,581
almost a year they haven't done it and I

3527
02:42:22,161 --> 02:42:20,011
don't know why I can't I it's one of

3528
02:42:25,730 --> 02:42:22,171
them many red flags that I've brought up

3529
02:42:28,100 --> 02:42:25,740
but that to me is a big one and if

3530
02:42:29,871 --> 02:42:28,110
you're a public benefit corporation and

3531
02:42:31,131 --> 02:42:29,881
I mean this respectfully so if those

3532
02:42:33,261 --> 02:42:31,141
guys are listening I mean

3533
02:42:34,970 --> 02:42:33,271
respectfully but if you want to tell the

3534
02:42:37,341 --> 02:42:34,980
UFO community that you are a public

3535
02:42:39,201 --> 02:42:37,351
benefit corporation you are not

3536
02:42:41,361 --> 02:42:39,211
benefiting the public by concealing that

3537
02:42:44,390 --> 02:42:41,371
information because you're withholding

3538
02:42:46,161 --> 02:42:44,400
the truth about a topic that you said

3539
02:42:48,291 --> 02:42:46,171
had too much secrecy in the beginning

3540
02:42:51,051 --> 02:42:48,301
and that that's why you founded this

3541
02:42:53,421 --> 02:42:51,061
public benefit corporation so why

3542
02:42:55,491 --> 02:42:53,431
continue the narrative I've dealt with

3543
02:42:57,230 --> 02:42:55,501
this for over two decades of secrecy I

3544
02:42:59,331 --> 02:42:57,240
don't need it from a public benefit

3545
02:43:01,581 --> 02:42:59,341
corporation I don't you know we don't

3546
02:43:04,341 --> 02:43:01,591
need more of the same if they have the

3547
02:43:06,921 --> 02:43:04,351
proof awesome let's join hands

3548
02:43:08,541 --> 02:43:06,931
let's show even more evidence that the

3549
02:43:10,640 --> 02:43:08,551
government is concealing the truth and

3550
02:43:12,591 --> 02:43:10,650
let's let's move on let's see what else

3551
02:43:14,480 --> 02:43:12,601
we can do but I think that concealment

3552
02:43:18,501 --> 02:43:14,490
is doing more harm than good at this

3553
02:43:21,470 --> 02:43:18,511
point yeah the the community as a whole

3554
02:43:23,961 --> 02:43:21,480
has heard over and over again that we

3555
02:43:28,341 --> 02:43:23,971
can't handle the truth you know and that

3556
02:43:32,150 --> 02:43:28,351
that that couldn't be farther from fact

3557
02:43:34,970 --> 02:43:32,160
you know clearly it's the truth that we

3558
02:43:36,980 --> 02:43:34,980
are demanding and nobody's gonna freak

3559
02:43:39,921 --> 02:43:36,990
out here let's just lets you know get

3560
02:43:41,781 --> 02:43:39,931
these questions answered my concern and

3561
02:43:45,291 --> 02:43:41,791
all of those points that you make I

3562
02:43:49,520 --> 02:43:45,301
think are important and very valid but

3563
02:43:51,100 --> 02:43:49,530
when I read the letter it what and I

3564
02:43:54,980 --> 02:43:51,110
don't know if it's real or not and

3565
02:43:58,241 --> 02:43:54,990
Graham Grammer put aside and spelling

3566
02:44:01,310 --> 02:43:58,251
issues and all that put aside but when

3567
02:44:04,631 --> 02:44:01,320
things are conveniently pointed out

3568
02:44:08,661 --> 02:44:04,641
there such as UFOs are real on our

3569
02:44:11,961 --> 02:44:08,671
threat to our men and women in uniform

3570
02:44:17,060 --> 02:44:11,971
and our nation and you don't care so

3571
02:44:19,190 --> 02:44:17,070
because of that I quit that that to me

3572
02:44:22,071 --> 02:44:19,200
wouldn't be in a resignation letter

3573
02:44:24,711 --> 02:44:22,081
number one by that not but that's not me

3574
02:44:28,671 --> 02:44:24,721
I didn't write it but it's too

3575
02:44:32,001 --> 02:44:28,681
convenient of subject matter there it's

3576
02:44:36,440 --> 02:44:32,011
way too convenient that it happens to be

3577
02:44:39,020 --> 02:44:36,450
and I don't believe I could be wrong but

3578
02:44:41,680 --> 02:44:39,030
I don't believe that members of the

3579
02:44:44,099 --> 02:44:41,690
Department of Defense and certainly

3580
02:44:46,080 --> 02:44:44,109
counterintelligence and so forth are

3581
02:44:49,019 --> 02:44:46,090
writing letters like this with that kind

3582
02:44:51,510 --> 02:44:49,029
of information in it to their boss when

3583
02:44:54,929 --> 02:44:51,520
they just want to retire and that's

3584
02:44:57,239 --> 02:44:54,939
that's my take I could be wrong I could

3585
02:44:59,399 --> 02:44:57,249
be way wrong on this but it just seemed

3586
02:45:04,170 --> 02:44:59,409
too convenient to me and then to have

3587
02:45:06,000 --> 02:45:04,180
that letter Lee Keable on a website to

3588
02:45:08,630 --> 02:45:06,010
go out to the public it just seems too

3589
02:45:10,979 --> 02:45:08,640
convenient to me it's just I don't know

3590
02:45:12,510 --> 02:45:10,989
yeah and and here's what I would say

3591
02:45:16,050 --> 02:45:12,520
let's just assume for a moment it is

3592
02:45:22,500 --> 02:45:16,060
true and he did submit this my bigger

3593
02:45:24,059 --> 02:45:22,510
question for this is we know because he

3594
02:45:26,489 --> 02:45:24,069
is mr. Ellison dough has said it the

3595
02:45:28,859 --> 02:45:26,499
funding ended in 2012 and they did this

3596
02:45:30,300 --> 02:45:28,869
by kind of sliding funds and and so on

3597
02:45:33,300 --> 02:45:30,310
and so forth at least that's what I

3598
02:45:36,300 --> 02:45:33,310
believe he has said and I hope he

3599
02:45:41,460 --> 02:45:36,310
correct me if I am wrong but why did it

3600
02:45:43,019 --> 02:45:41,470
take from 2012 - well there's no date on

3601
02:45:46,559 --> 02:45:43,029
the letter which I know is a red flag

3602
02:45:48,719 --> 02:45:46,569
for all of us but approximately October

3603
02:45:53,059 --> 02:45:48,729
is his effective date for for retirement

3604
02:45:56,609 --> 02:45:53,069
was for October 2017 so why did it take

3605
02:45:58,739 --> 02:45:56,619
five years for him to kind of come to

3606
02:46:00,540 --> 02:45:58,749
grips with well you know there's more to

3607
02:46:04,199 --> 02:46:00,550
this UFO thing you guys should should

3608
02:46:06,989 --> 02:46:04,209
deal more so I quit that usually when

3609
02:46:09,179 --> 02:46:06,999
you're ticked off about something you'll

3610
02:46:12,090 --> 02:46:09,189
do it within a couple weeks a couple

3611
02:46:14,969 --> 02:46:12,100
months heck I'll even give it a year but

3612
02:46:18,000 --> 02:46:14,979
five years go by and he tells the

3613
02:46:19,889 --> 02:46:18,010
Secretary of Defense hey remember that

3614
02:46:21,989 --> 02:46:19,899
program that you guys funded five years

3615
02:46:22,739 --> 02:46:21,999
ago well there was a lot more to it so I

3616
02:46:24,869 --> 02:46:22,749
quit

3617
02:46:27,420 --> 02:46:24,879
that and of course I'm paraphrasing but

3618
02:46:28,469 --> 02:46:27,430
that to me is the bigger thing that

3619
02:46:30,840 --> 02:46:28,479
doesn't make sense

3620
02:46:33,239 --> 02:46:30,850
I don't I don't understand why you would

3621
02:46:35,580 --> 02:46:33,249
wait that long and again it falls back

3622
02:46:37,710 --> 02:46:35,590
to if they were still doing this I want

3623
02:46:40,260 --> 02:46:37,720
to know how they did it because because

3624
02:46:41,760 --> 02:46:40,270
he's he's publicly saying it he's

3625
02:46:44,099 --> 02:46:41,770
publicly saying that funds came

3626
02:46:47,069 --> 02:46:44,109
elsewhere that a tip as a whole was was

3627
02:46:49,199 --> 02:46:47,079
stopped in 2012 but came elsewhere well

3628
02:46:51,830 --> 02:46:49,209
where was elsewhere and why did those

3629
02:46:54,719 --> 02:46:51,840
funds get a misappropriated or

3630
02:46:56,010 --> 02:46:54,729
re-appropriated based on your call I'm

3631
02:46:57,270 --> 02:46:56,020
not accusing him of anything please

3632
02:46:59,671 --> 02:46:57,280
don't get me wrong

3633
02:47:02,370 --> 02:46:59,681
I want to know how that all came to be

3634
02:47:04,501 --> 02:47:02,380
and and why I believe that that wouldn't

3635
02:47:06,030 --> 02:47:04,511
be classified is because he has gone on

3636
02:47:06,631 --> 02:47:06,040
the record stating the funds came

3637
02:47:08,970 --> 02:47:06,641
elsewhere

3638
02:47:11,790 --> 02:47:08,980
well there is there is seven trillion

3639
02:47:14,251 --> 02:47:11,800
dollars of missing Pentagon money too as

3640
02:47:16,200 --> 02:47:14,261
well yeah but you're not going to have I

3641
02:47:18,001 --> 02:47:16,210
mean his his title when he retired was

3642
02:47:20,131 --> 02:47:18,011
the director of national program special

3643
02:47:21,780 --> 02:47:20,141
management staff I do not believe

3644
02:47:23,490 --> 02:47:21,790
somebody at that level has access to

3645
02:47:25,080 --> 02:47:23,500
that seven trillion dollars or twelve

3646
02:47:27,540 --> 02:47:25,090
trillion dollars or whatever it is and

3647
02:47:29,820 --> 02:47:27,550
and I'm not trying to be too facetious

3648
02:47:32,700 --> 02:47:29,830
there but I'm I'm really making the

3649
02:47:36,690 --> 02:47:32,710
point that you know again even at the

3650
02:47:38,011 --> 02:47:36,700
highest levels to slide money around you

3651
02:47:40,080 --> 02:47:38,021
know that there's a reason why these

3652
02:47:43,051 --> 02:47:40,090
checks and balances systems are there

3653
02:47:45,600 --> 02:47:43,061
and that's why funds are often found

3654
02:47:47,160 --> 02:47:45,610
missing you know I mean yeah it makes

3655
02:47:48,810 --> 02:47:47,170
you laugh that so many trillions of

3656
02:47:50,160 --> 02:47:48,820
dollars are out there but they

3657
02:47:52,230 --> 02:47:50,170
discovered that because of the checks

3658
02:47:54,091 --> 02:47:52,240
and balances system so you have to give

3659
02:47:56,610 --> 02:47:54,101
them some credit that they are watching

3660
02:47:58,770 --> 02:47:56,620
it it may be too late day late and a

3661
02:48:00,900 --> 02:47:58,780
couple trillion dollars short but that

3662
02:48:03,751 --> 02:48:00,910
being said they're at least discovering

3663
02:48:05,490 --> 02:48:03,761
that so as we kind of progress through

3664
02:48:09,180 --> 02:48:05,500
the years I mean and I'm guessing you're

3665
02:48:10,740 --> 02:48:09,190
calling back to the pre 9/11/2001

3666
02:48:12,720 --> 02:48:10,750
statement right

3667
02:48:14,700 --> 02:48:12,730
you know trillions of dollars and that's

3668
02:48:17,490 --> 02:48:14,710
fine a lot of chand that was all

3669
02:48:21,270 --> 02:48:17,500
happened and it's true but fast forward

3670
02:48:23,610 --> 02:48:21,280
now to 2016 17 18 things are a little

3671
02:48:26,160 --> 02:48:23,620
bit different you know things are much

3672
02:48:27,540 --> 02:48:26,170
more under the microscope mistakes still

3673
02:48:29,790 --> 02:48:27,550
happened funds are definitely

3674
02:48:31,890 --> 02:48:29,800
misappropriated and all that but when

3675
02:48:33,421 --> 02:48:31,900
somebody comes out and puts on the

3676
02:48:35,940 --> 02:48:33,431
record that they are doing something

3677
02:48:39,690 --> 02:48:35,950
like that to continue a program that

3678
02:48:42,660 --> 02:48:39,700
they believed in that to me is a very

3679
02:48:44,910 --> 02:48:42,670
big question on how that was able to to

3680
02:48:46,680 --> 02:48:44,920
come about again I stress it's not

3681
02:48:48,421 --> 02:48:46,690
questioning integrity or honor or

3682
02:48:52,801 --> 02:48:48,431
anybody's service to our country

3683
02:48:55,501 --> 02:48:52,811
it's clarifying a very very big claim

3684
02:48:58,110 --> 02:48:55,511
that has now kind of been floated out

3685
02:49:00,360 --> 02:48:58,120
there and again it really comes down to

3686
02:49:02,040 --> 02:49:00,370
making sure that we're accurate because

3687
02:49:04,591 --> 02:49:02,050
if I don't ask these questions

3688
02:49:06,211 --> 02:49:04,601
the next journalist that decides to do a

3689
02:49:08,520 --> 02:49:06,221
story on this and they see all these red

3690
02:49:10,830 --> 02:49:08,530
flags they may not be as fair and

3691
02:49:13,260 --> 02:49:10,840
balanced as that Newsweek article you

3692
02:49:14,969 --> 02:49:13,270
I mean that that journalist Keith clora

3693
02:49:17,849 --> 02:49:14,979
was the one that wrote it for Newsweek

3694
02:49:19,710 --> 02:49:17,859
he did a great job doing all sides and

3695
02:49:22,139 --> 02:49:19,720
looking at you know who's involved

3696
02:49:24,030 --> 02:49:22,149
watching mr. Elizondo speak and who's

3697
02:49:26,490 --> 02:49:24,040
involved with to the Stars Academy and

3698
02:49:28,290 --> 02:49:26,500
going through all of these claims but

3699
02:49:30,719 --> 02:49:28,300
again journalists that are doing their

3700
02:49:34,110 --> 02:49:30,729
job are asking important questions and

3701
02:49:36,719 --> 02:49:34,120
as the days and months and now years are

3702
02:49:38,670 --> 02:49:36,729
taking on as you don't have the answers

3703
02:49:40,530 --> 02:49:38,680
to some of these basic questions about

3704
02:49:43,230 --> 02:49:40,540
the bigger claims

3705
02:49:46,200 --> 02:49:43,240
I'm afraid that now it's going to have a

3706
02:49:48,870 --> 02:49:46,210
negative impact on future stories

3707
02:49:51,840 --> 02:49:48,880
involving UFOs and government secrecy

3708
02:49:54,389 --> 02:49:51,850
and I don't think that that is

3709
02:49:57,870 --> 02:49:54,399
benefiting the public by keeping this

3710
02:49:59,429 --> 02:49:57,880
information away if we're not ready and

3711
02:50:02,010 --> 02:49:59,439
that's what they want to claim I would

3712
02:50:03,630 --> 02:50:02,020
highly disagree with that and it could

3713
02:50:05,670 --> 02:50:03,640
just come down to they claim they have

3714
02:50:08,219 --> 02:50:05,680
evidence that they don't have in the

3715
02:50:10,500 --> 02:50:08,229
form of the evidence that the DoD

3716
02:50:13,260 --> 02:50:10,510
released these videos so again there's a

3717
02:50:15,719 --> 02:50:13,270
lot of unanswered questions here that we

3718
02:50:18,060 --> 02:50:15,729
as the UFO community should lock down

3719
02:50:20,880 --> 02:50:18,070
first before somebody from the media

3720
02:50:22,230 --> 02:50:20,890
really tears it up and says wow you know

3721
02:50:25,590 --> 02:50:22,240
we thought this was a great story in

3722
02:50:27,599 --> 02:50:25,600
December of 2017 but you know this is

3723
02:50:29,460 --> 02:50:27,609
getting a little ridiculous and you've

3724
02:50:32,490 --> 02:50:29,470
got a corporation collecting money from

3725
02:50:36,000 --> 02:50:32,500
the public that's not necessarily being

3726
02:50:36,840 --> 02:50:36,010
100% truthful and open-open is more the

3727
02:50:40,770 --> 02:50:36,850
word I would use

3728
02:50:43,560 --> 02:50:40,780
and so the that I believe may start to

3729
02:50:45,570 --> 02:50:43,570
come back and and bite all of us in the

3730
02:50:47,219 --> 02:50:45,580
UFO community and that's why I get

3731
02:50:49,800 --> 02:50:47,229
passionate about asking these questions

3732
02:50:52,620 --> 02:50:49,810
and they're just that we shouldn't we

3733
02:50:55,349 --> 02:50:52,630
shouldn't be afraid to ask questions and

3734
02:50:57,060 --> 02:50:55,359
as you know Jimmy being in this field we

3735
02:51:00,270 --> 02:50:57,070
shouldn't be afraid to have questions

3736
02:51:03,030 --> 02:51:00,280
asked of us and anything that I say on

3737
02:51:04,980 --> 02:51:03,040
your program or on my own program or

3738
02:51:07,520 --> 02:51:04,990
anything on the black vault comm or

3739
02:51:09,780 --> 02:51:07,530
anywhere that I've you know spoken I

3740
02:51:12,150 --> 02:51:09,790
appreciate when somebody challenges what

3741
02:51:14,040 --> 02:51:12,160
I have to say because it keeps me on my

3742
02:51:17,099 --> 02:51:14,050
toes to make sure that I'm not spreading

3743
02:51:18,630 --> 02:51:17,109
BS myself you know that I'm not under

3744
02:51:21,599 --> 02:51:18,640
the false impression about something

3745
02:51:23,461 --> 02:51:21,609
that I can back up everything that I say

3746
02:51:25,680 --> 02:51:23,471
in the form of

3747
02:51:28,171 --> 02:51:25,690
actual real evidence that you can hold

3748
02:51:31,291 --> 02:51:28,181
and if I have just an opinion I'll label

3749
02:51:34,110 --> 02:51:31,301
it just that it's my honest opinion of X

3750
02:51:36,720 --> 02:51:34,120
Y Z but when I make a claim I back it up

3751
02:51:38,671 --> 02:51:36,730
and I feel that we really need to push

3752
02:51:41,700 --> 02:51:38,681
not only to the Stars I don't want to

3753
02:51:44,011 --> 02:51:41,710
pick on them only but really make a push

3754
02:51:46,171 --> 02:51:44,021
to ask people for evidence when they

3755
02:51:48,211 --> 02:51:46,181
make these bigger claims because it only

3756
02:51:50,520 --> 02:51:48,221
benefits us all when we make those

3757
02:51:53,341 --> 02:51:50,530
demands if we ignore them and just kind

3758
02:51:56,131 --> 02:51:53,351
of blindly pledge our allegiance to some

3759
02:52:00,001 --> 02:51:56,141
of these efforts and claims that comes

3760
02:52:02,331 --> 02:52:00,011
back to hurt us and my point you don't

3761
02:52:04,801 --> 02:52:02,341
even have to go back far in UFO history

3762
02:52:07,490 --> 02:52:04,811
just go back to the Roswell dummy of

3763
02:52:09,751 --> 02:52:07,500
Roswell aliens excuse me right that were

3764
02:52:12,930 --> 02:52:09,761
that we're touted as being you know

3765
02:52:15,480 --> 02:52:12,940
Roswell mummies you've got the the the

3766
02:52:17,011 --> 02:52:15,490
the gaya claims of Nazca mummies and I

3767
02:52:19,591 --> 02:52:17,021
mean you've got a lot of different

3768
02:52:21,480 --> 02:52:19,601
claims that have come about over the

3769
02:52:23,190 --> 02:52:21,490
years and I think that we just need to

3770
02:52:25,680 --> 02:52:23,200
make an effort to make sure that when

3771
02:52:27,390 --> 02:52:25,690
those claims are made we asked for the

3772
02:52:33,240 --> 02:52:27,400
evidence that goes along with it have

3773
02:52:34,501 --> 02:52:33,250
you is that even Louis's signature I was

3774
02:52:36,900 --> 02:52:34,511
curious about that I don't know I

3775
02:52:39,301 --> 02:52:36,910
thought when I saw this posted I was

3776
02:52:41,881 --> 02:52:39,311
curious if anybody at MUFON got him to

3777
02:52:44,371 --> 02:52:41,891
sign something I was curious you know

3778
02:52:46,200 --> 02:52:44,381
like like cross-references autograph but

3779
02:52:47,820 --> 02:52:46,210
I want to give him the benefit of the

3780
02:52:49,261 --> 02:52:47,830
doubt this was on Kris Mellon site I I

3781
02:52:53,461 --> 02:52:49,271
don't want to say yeah it's probably

3782
02:52:54,961 --> 02:52:53,471
fake I I want to know why

3783
02:52:57,001 --> 02:52:54,971
again there's there's there's red flags

3784
02:52:58,770 --> 02:52:57,011
we can dissect it all night long but

3785
02:53:02,041 --> 02:52:58,780
yeah you've already pointed out spelling

3786
02:53:03,810 --> 02:53:02,051
errors generally when you see things

3787
02:53:06,301 --> 02:53:03,820
from the DoD and I've got thousands of

3788
02:53:09,680 --> 02:53:06,311
examples it's memorandum for the record

3789
02:53:13,470 --> 02:53:09,690
not mint a memorandum for a : record

3790
02:53:16,860 --> 02:53:13,480
that's like there but it's undated yeah

3791
02:53:19,770 --> 02:53:16,870
they did no addresses on it and no no

3792
02:53:23,791 --> 02:53:19,780
copy - nothing else is as referenced so

3793
02:53:26,520 --> 02:53:23,801
it's it yeah I don't know maybe the DoD

3794
02:53:28,560 --> 02:53:26,530
has changed their letter formatting but

3795
02:53:31,291 --> 02:53:28,570
I thought all business letters of you

3796
02:53:34,291 --> 02:53:31,301
know basically you know you have an

3797
02:53:36,269 --> 02:53:34,301
office a number an office number an

3798
02:53:38,729 --> 02:53:36,279
address a building number

3799
02:53:41,099 --> 02:53:38,739
all of that is that and none of it and

3800
02:53:43,740 --> 02:53:41,109
of course the address now what did you

3801
02:53:46,500 --> 02:53:43,750
make of I've got two minutes left here

3802
02:53:49,320 --> 02:53:46,510
John and thank you for this overtime the

3803
02:53:52,769 --> 02:53:49,330
other stuff that was downloaded off of a

3804
02:53:55,019 --> 02:53:52,779
melon site and I'm looking at him here

3805
02:53:57,360 --> 02:53:55,029
I'm not I'm not sharing any of this

3806
02:53:59,280 --> 02:53:57,370
online but one of the things that I

3807
02:54:03,719 --> 02:53:59,290
thought was interesting was the shot of

3808
02:54:06,330 --> 02:54:03,729
these four DVDs or no they're discs I

3809
02:54:08,910 --> 02:54:06,340
don't know if they're DVDs but they're

3810
02:54:11,729 --> 02:54:08,920
data discs one of four two of four three

3811
02:54:16,590 --> 02:54:11,739
or four four four dated nine five I'm

3812
02:54:18,650 --> 02:54:16,600
assuming September 5th 2017 what do you

3813
02:54:23,849 --> 02:54:18,660
make of that because it says

3814
02:54:25,950 --> 02:54:23,859
unclassified US government property yeah

3815
02:54:28,380 --> 02:54:25,960
those are fairly standard CDs I've

3816
02:54:30,750 --> 02:54:28,390
received them quite often even than FOIA

3817
02:54:34,110 --> 02:54:30,760
requests and the reason is is because a

3818
02:54:37,500 --> 02:54:34,120
lot of times you know a DoD and related

3819
02:54:39,420 --> 02:54:37,510
agencies will copy information from

3820
02:54:41,460 --> 02:54:39,430
their system or a system and move it

3821
02:54:43,290 --> 02:54:41,470
over and so they have to differentiate

3822
02:54:46,349 --> 02:54:43,300
between when something goes to a digital

3823
02:54:48,450 --> 02:54:46,359
medium whether or not it is unclassified

3824
02:54:50,700 --> 02:54:48,460
or holds a higher clearance level and

3825
02:54:53,340 --> 02:54:50,710
then if it is higher clearance there's

3826
02:54:55,860 --> 02:54:53,350
rerouting transmittal slips top top

3827
02:54:57,870 --> 02:54:55,870
secret and secret and and you know

3828
02:55:00,120 --> 02:54:57,880
classified document handling procedures

3829
02:55:02,610 --> 02:55:00,130
or again kind of geeky but they're

3830
02:55:04,590 --> 02:55:02,620
pretty fascinating so that didn't

3831
02:55:06,420 --> 02:55:04,600
surprise me because there's a thousand

3832
02:55:08,820 --> 02:55:06,430
explanations on why they would have that

3833
02:55:10,620 --> 02:55:08,830
I can show you quite a few that I've

3834
02:55:12,809 --> 02:55:10,630
received over the years of the same

3835
02:55:17,940 --> 02:55:12,819
thing so that that's kind of standard so

3836
02:55:19,590 --> 02:55:17,950
what exactly was on those CDs I you know

3837
02:55:21,330 --> 02:55:19,600
it could be it could be anything I'm not

3838
02:55:23,190 --> 02:55:21,340
really sure but when they take home with

3839
02:55:25,380 --> 02:55:23,200
them their own work or if they're

3840
02:55:27,389 --> 02:55:25,390
working on something unclassified you

3841
02:55:30,420 --> 02:55:27,399
know they plop it onto a CD and that's

3842
02:55:31,920 --> 02:55:30,430
probably what they're using if that was

3843
02:55:33,900 --> 02:55:31,930
the transmission of the videos

3844
02:55:36,450 --> 02:55:33,910
themselves I mean maybe I think that

3845
02:55:38,429 --> 02:55:36,460
that's kind of the allegation out there

3846
02:55:41,510 --> 02:55:38,439
that these are the CDs that they were

3847
02:55:45,570 --> 02:55:41,520
able to get in the DoD released them

3848
02:55:48,000 --> 02:55:45,580
well that's what I needed you know

3849
02:55:49,950 --> 02:55:48,010
that's what I read into it it's it's

3850
02:55:52,950 --> 02:55:49,960
possible but but again here

3851
02:55:54,600 --> 02:55:52,960
in the final seconds here the Pentagon

3852
02:55:56,070 --> 02:55:54,610
claimed that they did not release the

3853
02:55:57,780 --> 02:55:56,080
videos right we've already established

3854
02:55:59,610 --> 02:55:57,790
that that's right in order to get the

3855
02:56:02,010 --> 02:55:59,620
videos out the he had to file what's

3856
02:56:03,719 --> 02:56:02,020
called a DD Form 1910 I have filed for

3857
02:56:05,960 --> 02:56:03,729
your request for these forms I have yet

3858
02:56:07,830 --> 02:56:05,970
to receive them cases are still open

3859
02:56:10,110 --> 02:56:07,840
regardless of all that let's just say

3860
02:56:12,090 --> 02:56:10,120
it's called a Doppler process once the

3861
02:56:14,550 --> 02:56:12,100
Doppler process is completed here's what

3862
02:56:16,590 --> 02:56:14,560
the Pentagon says just because it's it's

3863
02:56:18,930 --> 02:56:16,600
completed and let's just say the

3864
02:56:21,469 --> 02:56:18,940
approval was made for them to be

3865
02:56:24,660 --> 02:56:21,479
released that in itself is not

3866
02:56:26,760 --> 02:56:24,670
authorizing the release there is still

3867
02:56:28,860 --> 02:56:26,770
another step after the Doppler process

3868
02:56:31,410 --> 02:56:28,870
which according to the Pentagon which

3869
02:56:35,250 --> 02:56:31,420
was told to me in writing by the major

3870
02:56:38,130 --> 02:56:35,260
from the Pentagon that process was not

3871
02:56:40,469 --> 02:56:38,140
complete they would not verify whether

3872
02:56:42,930 --> 02:56:40,479
or not the videos were real I will say

3873
02:56:44,610 --> 02:56:42,940
myself I do believe they're real whether

3874
02:56:47,400 --> 02:56:44,620
or not they're true UFOs I have no idea

3875
02:56:50,490 --> 02:56:47,410
but I don't have any doubts - the videos

3876
02:56:52,890 --> 02:56:50,500
I have reservations about the audio on

3877
02:56:55,170 --> 02:56:52,900
the videos that's a different

3878
02:56:56,730 --> 02:56:55,180
conversation but I believe that maybe

3879
02:56:58,200 --> 02:56:56,740
there was some doctoring on the audio

3880
02:57:00,390 --> 02:56:58,210
but that's just a gut feeling

3881
02:57:02,040 --> 02:57:00,400
other than that though I don't really

3882
02:57:03,840 --> 02:57:02,050
have doubts that the videos are not

3883
02:57:06,000 --> 02:57:03,850
genuine I think they probably are the

3884
02:57:08,670 --> 02:57:06,010
question mark is though what's the

3885
02:57:11,370 --> 02:57:08,680
context of them and on top of that why

3886
02:57:14,010 --> 02:57:11,380
wasn't the process completed and if

3887
02:57:16,680 --> 02:57:14,020
these CDs are those videos then you know

3888
02:57:19,020 --> 02:57:16,690
was this oops mistake that they that

3889
02:57:21,120 --> 02:57:19,030
they did not follow the the proper

3890
02:57:23,910 --> 02:57:21,130
procedure I'm not gonna fault anybody

3891
02:57:25,200 --> 02:57:23,920
for that I mean stuff happens but let's

3892
02:57:28,050 --> 02:57:25,210
make sure that we get all the the

3893
02:57:29,640 --> 02:57:28,060
accurate information but at the end of

3894
02:57:32,340 --> 02:57:29,650
the day the Pentagon is denying that

3895
02:57:34,500 --> 02:57:32,350
they ever released these things so the

3896
02:57:37,530 --> 02:57:34,510
question mark is what really is the

3897
02:57:39,600 --> 02:57:37,540
origin and I do fall back on my

3898
02:57:42,780 --> 02:57:39,610
criticism that they claim they have

3899
02:57:44,370 --> 02:57:42,790
proof that the government released and

3900
02:57:47,100 --> 02:57:44,380
authorized the release of these videos

3901
02:57:48,570 --> 02:57:47,110
but they will not show you and I you

3902
02:57:50,370 --> 02:57:48,580
know I have a lot of problem with that

3903
02:57:53,160 --> 02:57:50,380
because when you make a claim this big

3904
02:57:56,670 --> 02:57:53,170
and these videos are kind of interesting

3905
02:57:58,740 --> 02:57:56,680
why wouldn't you show that and it's

3906
02:58:00,180 --> 02:57:58,750
unfortunate but that that is what it is

3907
02:58:01,920 --> 02:58:00,190
that's that's what they're they're

3908
02:58:03,570 --> 02:58:01,930
telling everybody that they won't they

3909
02:58:07,950 --> 02:58:03,580
won't tell you they won't show you

3910
02:58:10,740 --> 02:58:07,960
John Greenwald the black vault the black

3911
02:58:13,650 --> 02:58:10,750
vault calm John thank you so much we

3912
02:58:15,330 --> 02:58:13,660
took it right up to the network break I

3913
02:58:15,870 --> 02:58:15,340
got to run credit so you just stay right

3914
02:58:18,450 --> 02:58:15,880
there

3915
02:58:20,880 --> 02:58:18,460
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02:58:23,280 --> 02:58:20,890
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3920
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3924
02:58:44,719 --> 02:58:42,069
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3925
02:58:47,760 --> 02:58:44,729
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3926
02:58:50,280 --> 02:58:47,770
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3931
02:58:59,040 --> 02:58:57,490
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3935
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3936
02:59:15,860 --> 02:59:12,520
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3937
02:59:20,450 --> 02:59:15,870
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3939
02:59:24,020 --> 02:59:20,729
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3940
02:59:32,000 --> 02:59:24,030
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